Friday, July 07, 2006

Credibility flies out the window

I was willing to accept most of karmabites1's story. I just wanted her to answer our questions. But after coming across this exchange in the comments on her blog, I don't believe anything she has to say:


KarmaBites1 said...

Anonymous said...
"Are you still e-mailing proof to people who request it?"

The only person I forwarded any of the emails was to Lloyd Grove.

If you're talking about a certain person who thinks I was going to call them to offer proof, you've got to be kidding. I was never going to call that person. I was simply trying to get rid of his/her harassing emails and I knew they'd be too chicken shit to give out a phone number.

10:30 AM

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Anonymous said...

Said person has provided complete screencaps of your e-mail exchanges on their own blog. There doesn't appear to be any harrassment going on.

10:44 AM

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KarmaBites1 said...

Anonymous said...
"Said person has provided complete screencaps of your e-mail exchanges on their own blog. There doesn't appear to be any harrassment going on."

Well, as flattering as it is to have a site dedicated to me, hate or otherwise, I haven't looked at it. But I'm sure they didn't post the dozens of vile emails they sent me. Just a hunch.

10:55 AM



The screencaps I posted previously compose the entirety of my correspondence with karmabites1. I sent no e-mails to her before or after that exchange. When she said "leave me alone", I decided that anything else I had to say to or about her would be doen so on this blog. Of course, it's a case of "karma said/rat said" at this point, and most of the regular readers here will have made up their mind one way or the other about how much they trust karmabites1's allegations.

I can only think of two reasons for why she would make up a lie like this. The first is that she's a pathological liar, but I doubt that. The second is that she felt the need to make me look bad. It's a relatively innocuous lie. Even if it were true that I sent her other emails, the people "on her side" would probably have already assumed that I was harassing her, and the people "on my side" would assume that she's exagerrating about the "vile" nature of the emails. Anyone still left on the fence at this point would probably not care either way.

Any lie at all, especially one this small, makes everything she's said seem invalid. If her original story was true and if she wasn't hiding anything, why lie about something that makes no difference either way?

Like I said, it's my word against hers at this point. But that's her M.O., isn't it? I can't prove that I DIDN'T send her any other emails. And Olbermann can't prove that he didn't, um, do whatever it is she's accusing him of doing. At this point, I'm not even sure.

And that's another thing. Let's assume for a moment that she was telling the truth. What exactly is she so upset with Olbermann for? For leading her on? For not being able to "seal the deal"? For coming up with a lame excuse to get away from her? Isn't it entirely possible (still assuming she was telling the truth, which is a BIG assumption at this point) that he really did carry on some sort of relationship with her but realized upon meeting her that she was off her rocker?

If he bothered carrying on with her for over a year, he obviously wanted more than just sex. Not to give the man too much credit, but surely he could get sex from a "real, live" person. If he actually agreed to meet her in person, he didn't feel threatened by her. The suddenness of his dumping suggests to me that he wanted rid of her as quickly as possible after realizing what she was really like.

Really, it's moot now. I don't think I'll waste my time on that anymore. I've made up my mind at this point that there's barely a speck of truth to what karmabites1 has been saying. I'm still curious about the situation, though. What drives someone to go to such lengths? What is she trying to accomplish?

71 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well thought out and well written! Once again you've proven to be the lone voice of reason on this matter.

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, Raton, I think what you're forgetting is that there was a second blog dedicated to attacking Karma.

I can't be certain, but isn't it possible that she might be conflating the behavior of the people that run the blogs. Sure enough, it still puts you in the awkward position of having to defend yourself for something you may not have done. But, I think it's too quick to make assumptions about this. It's very possible that she has some innocent confusion about who is or isn't emailing her or launching attacks on her on which blogs.

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't matter. One thing that's for certain is that there is no credibility to anything Karma says.

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Absolutely correct. She has no credibility.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I firmly believe that the reason karma deletes his/her blog is that he/she can't keep track of his/her own stories.

7:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lack of credibility? Just go to http://ratonanonimo.blogspot.com/

And poor Ratbitch has to defend herself for something she didn't do? None of you bastards cared about Psych 101 being in the same position, blamed all over the web for everything, including being Karma, for Christ's sake. What a compassionate bunch.

8:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Karma's blog: Sorry, I'm not posting any pics. Although, the emails I'm planning on posting are of his reactions to very intimate photos I would send him. I've got over 100 emails. I have a lot of searching to do..."

Sure, it takes a lot of searching to figure out how to make them look passable for the real thing.

8:45 PM  
Anonymous Pablo Picasso said...

Raton!

I am heartbroken!

I sent our friend KarmaBites1 a comment to her post suggesting that she would reveal photos, but she did not print my words:
How long does it take to doctor up images in PhotoShop?

(C'mon, ChickieBaby! Publish my comment. You've censored all the others.)
Pablo Picasso


I sent this missive at 10:48am EST on the 7th of July.

I think her real name is KarmaBitesFahrenheit451.

11:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, we already know Karma knows how to forge email screenshots, so even if she comes up with some that she claims are real (no headers, of course), that will reveal nothing new. We already know she has a very active imagination, so nothing she writes and claims is his reaction will come as a great shock.

Isn't she clever, though...she fooled us...she never really promised photos, she just posted a picture of a camera and said "In the works..." That's the modus operandi for Karmabites...overpromise and underdeliver.

But wait. I thought she said she wasn't going to post any more emails. Guess she changed her mind...again! Just like she changed her mind about when she was "even," and when she had "forgiven," and when she was going to stop posting about all this. You know--flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop...

It's really pretty laughable when you think about it.

Like all charlatans, she keeps pointing to that curtain, hinting that she's got something really big and spectacular and horrifying behind it, and you can see it for yourself for only a dime...and she keeps collecting dimes, and keeps making excuses for why she can't open the curtain just yet...

There's only one problem. The longer she delays opening the curtain, the more restless her audience gets, and the more tempted they are to think that maybe there really isn't anything there...

Oh well. P.T. Barnum was right.

7:16 AM  
Anonymous Voice of Reason said...

No, I'll tell you whose credibility has flown out the window. It's the "fans" of Keith Olbermann who are tearing one another apart. How many innocent people must suffer because of the irrational, vindictive and vengeful behavior of a few?

What is the end game here? What is your ultimate goal? And how exactly do you intend on achieving it? Do you really believe you can sue someone for disagreeing with you? Threatening people does not make you a crusader, it makes you a bully who has to resort to cheap theatrics to silence your critics. You do realize of course that's what dictators do right? Smear, lie, threaten, and create conspiracy theories to silence their critics and those who disagree with them.

Do you really think Keith Olbermann is cheering you on? That you're his heroes now? That he admires your actions? That you're doing him some kind of favor?

Please enlighten me as to what it is exactly any of you have personally gained from any of this nonsense? Is the internet not large enough of a place for people to have differing opinions? Must you stamp out any and everyone who disagrees with you or doesn't join you in your madness?

As someone who once counted herself as a fan of Countdown and Keith Olbermann, I'm deeply ashamed of the behavior of some of my fellow "fans". It's turned me off the idea of fandom completely and of Keith Olbermann in particular. Was that your intent here in trying to "protect" him?

How far will be far enough? Where does this all end? When does it stop? And again what do you expect to get out of all of this? A pat on the head from Keith? Some sort of personal acknowledgement? Sorry but if I were him, I'd be slapping a restraining order on each and every one of you.

11:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raton, you asked what she is trying to accompish. Well, I think she's probably trying to write fan-fiction. Hence the topsy-turvy "fact" mill. It's hard to remember made up stuff.

2:40 PM  
Anonymous Make that Call. Demand an Answer said...

She posted headers. She just blacked out her email address.As far as her failure to post return paths go, only someone within MSNBC could confirm they were authentic and her "failure" to post those doesn't mean a damn thing and you know it, you're just using that weak and tired argument to try and punch holes in her claims which you have woefully failed to do. That absence of those return paths and the blacking out of her email address hardly make her emails "forged" as you claim.

She was clearly the source of one of Lloyd Grove's first email (about Rita Cosby) and that email was authenticated by the NY Daily News or Grove could never have been able to reprint it in his paper. The network did not deny their authenticty and Olbermann declined to comment before having to apologize for it and more emails from other sources the following day. What exactly would be proof enough for some of you?

Why do I get the idea that no matter what she posted you'd claim it was faked and offer up "proof" as to why just like the good conspiracy theorists you are?

Here's an idea for you. If he is innocent in all of this and those emails aren't legit why don't you contact him and get him to comment on this? His email address is on those emails she posted and in case you don't have it, here it is: keith.olbermann@msnbc.com. Contact his boss Dan Abrams too: dan.abrams@msnbc.com. I'm sure if they're fake emails the network will be more than happy to confirm for you and get the "truth" out there. Better yet, call him and the network yourselves and ask for comment. Wouldn't they really want to get their side of the story out for public consumption if these emails are faked as you suggest? Odd isn't that they haven't issued a denial of any kind. Hmmm.

Better yet, why don't you and all of his fans just flood the network with your calls and emails until he comments on this? Offer to be his advocate. Tell him you're on his side and get offical comment from him to post here. Wouldn't that settle this once and for all?

Ah, but that's the problem. Olbermann has remained deathly silent on this. All of a sudden. the man who cannot let a single criticisim about him go unanswered or naming someone Worst Person in the World has been oddly quiet about all of this hasn't he? The man who just loves to gripe about the injustices done to him endlessly in interviews and on air hasn't said a word about this has he? Why would that be exactly?

Forget the argument about how he doesn't think it's worth his time to respond to a 'sociopathic liar". Any sane and reasonable person would have figured out long ago that Olbermann is terrifed of having the entire ugly and sorted truth come out about all of this.

So I for one will eagerly await for you to post proof straight from the horse's mouth. Until then, I'll remain dubious about your "proof". You haven't proven anything here except you got into a bitch fight via email with the orignator of that blog and got pissed off enough about it to post her emails here.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't expect any Olbermann bashers to understand this, but there is no war going on in the "fandom." There was a problem with one board, QT, whose member(s) made it their mission to cause as much trouble on other KO boards as they possibly could. Check out the archives at Olbermannwatch if you don't believe me. (I can't believe Bob Cox would be supporting QT now after what he said about them over a year ago.)

3:21 PM  
Anonymous Pissed Galpal said...

As a former Galpal, let me say categorically that is NOT true and the people who are lying their asses off about this will one day have this all come back and bite THEM in the ass as they are revealed to be the liars and troublemakers that they so freely accusing others of being. I'm afraid some of you are in for a rude awakening as you find our your real enemies were your most trusted members who post at your board each and every day (dozens of times a day) all along. I can't wait to see the day you finally figure this out and chaos ensues. I eagerly await your well-deserved destruction. It's not a question of if, it's only when.

But while I'm here, let me throw a few facts out for you:

Point 1: Psych shared with several of us, more than once, screen caps of her admin screen when these initial allegations came up that she was posting as more than one person. So that particular lie needs to die right here, right now. She was a smart girl but not smart enough to figure out to consistently post from a dozen different IP addresses. Several of us shared home addresses with one another, exchanged Christmas cards, had internet chats, real life phone calls. How did we manage to accomplish all of that if we were just one person exactly? Care to explain that? And why was it exactly that none of you ever took her up on her offers to email you copies of her admin screens? Would it be because that would have deprived you of your favorite talking point (and vicious lie) about her and QT?

Point 2: And this is an important one that you really need to learn. Not everyone who disagrees with you automatically is/was from QT. I know this is hard for your little small pathetically weak brains to grasp but there are more than enough people out there who do not think Keith Olbermann is perfect and did not agree with your opinions of him and everything he did/said and not all of those people were/are QT posters. While it may be easier for you to believe that, it is NOT true and never was.

Point 3: As for the notion that we had to be the same person because we always "agreed" with each other? Have you looked at your own damned boards? The members there are scared shitless to express a contrary view of the prevailing opinion. QT members did disagree with one another at times but we were always able to settle our differences in a civil manner.

Point 4: As for the notion we weren't "true" fans of his because we didn't automatically agree on everything he ever did or said, do I really have to explain to you that it is totally possible to like someone and not agree with everything they say or do? Are you really that dense you can't wrap your heads around that concept? The fact that you're obsessive fans who think he's perfect and is beyond questioning indicates a far more serious problem than that we weren't "true" fans.

Point 5: We saw a member of our board have to go to law enforcement in an attempt to quell Bob Cox's vicious attacks after he came after her and her family. Do you honestly thing for one single second we'd conspire with the likes of him?

Good luck to you all. I truly wish you well. You truly and richly deserve one another. Trust me, the trolls at your boards aren't the real problems you think you have, it's your own members. And nothing could be more rewarding to me than to know it's not a question of when the long knives come out, but when.

5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 3:21--wrong. There is indeed a war going on in KO fandom. And the problem was NOT started by QT, nor even by Bob Cox. It was started by KO.org, whose owner tried to bully everyone on other KO boards to enter his altar of fandom. He was told to get lost, got pissed, and has been up to no good since. He started that board in Feb. 2006. There have been problems ever since.

QT members in general rarely, if ever, checked other KO boards. It was a small community and members preferred it that way. Just go to KO.org and see the surveillance reports on the QT board to see how obsessed the 6 or so people who post over there were with QT. QT never had a quarrel with KO.org, except to tell Michael to buzz off.

And Bob Cox seems to be on the side of KO.org these days. Interesting, no? And at least Bob Cox isn't delusional like the Kool-Aid drinkers at KO.org.

Michael is running around posting threats about a defamation suit against people who posted anything he perceives as "bad" about KO. As if Olbermann can't hire high-priced NYC lawyers if need be. And he also now claims to have been a cop. It may be true, but given his past behavior and the way he's behaving now, I just don't know.

Anon 3:21, you are a liar.

And pissed Galpal--you're a righteous sister.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And since Michael and KO.org are so big on "proof," here is partial proof of their obsession with QT.

You can read the poster's name and the syncophantic responses to this post at
http://keitholbermann.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1457&start=0&sid=
530b636128fc93d23e27282bf90aad69

Incidentally, it goes on for two pages, so grab a drink and a snack if you're going over there.


Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: QuickTopic board: With fans like these, who needs Bob Cox?

Has anybody else checked out that board over at QuickTopic that claims (and you will soon see why I say "claims") to be a forum for KO's female fans?

All I can say is, if those ladies are KO's supposed "fans," then maybe Bob Cox is actually running a fan forum over there on OlbermannWatch too! If I were him I might forget doing my own work in trying to run down Keith and just let them do it for me.

Although I guess that would not work too well. QuickTopic (they call themselves the "QT Galpals"--how cute) doesn't seem to disagree politically with KO's viewpoints, which seems to be Bob Cox's stock in trade. I guess they are all card-carrying "libruls" over there, or at least they like to think they are. No, QT's favorite pastime (when they're not discussing stuff they bought in their latest shopping spree) is ragging on Keith for what a "MALE CHAUVINIST PIG RAT BASTARD" they are absolutely sure he is in real life.

None of these ladies seems to have ever had the occasion to meet KO in the flesh yet they, who claim to be his fans mind you, treat him like he is the worst kind of male cockroach ever to crawl the earth.

In some ways this is funny. I actually decided to put in a little time studying the patterns of what they have said over the time of their existence about KO and determine exactly why they believe it to be so. I determined that their opinions of KO and his supposed attitude toward women are derived from three sources:

1. hearsay from members who say they "know someone who used to work with him" or "know someone who works with him now" or "know someone who knows someone whose mother's uncle's cousin's brother's housekeeper's sister's aunt's boss's daughter's best friend dated him once back in 1985 when he was living in Los Angeles." It doesn't matter how tenuous the connection is or how old the "knowledge" is. They leap on every tidbit and gobble it up like a pack of starving dogs and beg for more.

2. Posts from newbies who drop in every once in a blue moon, unannounced, making some sort of deliberately provocative, shit-stirring statement like "Sorry to break all your hearts, but Keith's a real asshole. You don't want to know what I know about him. Have a nice day." This sends them into a frenzy as they beg, plead and whimper with the troller for more, more, MORE information. "Please. You can't just drop in here, make that kind of statement and then leave. We want DETAILS!" The troller then feeds them out a tidbit here or there about how her "someone who knows someone whose mother's uncle's cousin's brother's housekeeper's sister's aunt's boss's daughter's best friend dated him once back in 1985 when he was living in Los Angeles" can TESTIFY that he is an asshole and that he's interested in women only for their looks and that once he's gotten them between the sheets it's sayonara, loser. This goes on until eventually someone gets smart enough to point out that maybe the empress really has no clothes and doesn't know jack about KO and is just trying to stir some shit while making herself feel important. Once that happens, they all descend upon her and rip her apart like a pack of wolves, the board queen kills her from the board, and all is quiet. Until the next time it happens.

Now here's the killer. From what I can deduce, this has happened repeatedly over the history of this QT's group's existence. Every few months or so, someone comes in out of the blue, claims to be well aware of what KO is like in real life and be bursting with so many horror stories that she just can't tell them all, they would be too horrifying. And then she leaves. And then they beg her again, and she tosses out more crumbs. And then again they figure out she's lying. Yet EVERYTHING SHE SAID will be REMEMBERED collectively by the group and used against him the next time they're in a mood to use him as their personal punching bag for any problematic relationships they themselves have ever had with men. It won't be recalled that the troll was eventually chased away and banished as a fraud. Only her accusations against KO will be remembered. And treated like gospel truth! ("Someone once came here and said that KO does this...isn't it awful??")

3. Media information about him, and things KO says himself in the media...but selectively, and with the unique QT Galpal spin and interpretation. In their spin...whatever the media says about him, or whatever he says about himself, is not to be believed unless there is some way of spinning it to make him look like a sewer rat when it comes to women.

In the world according to QT, if there's a book on ESPN that says he supported women there who made sexual harassment accusations of the other men, well, that was only because he hated ESPN so much at the time and wanted to get back at them any way he could! If he apologized later for yelling at a female colleague at ESPN, he didn't mean it; he only did it because he was out of a job at the time and he had to say something to try to repair his bridges so he could find another one! If he says he's single today because of mistakes women made, he will be bashed for blaming only the women! If he says he's single because of mistakes HE made, he will be bashed for lamely adding it at the last second and not really meaning it! If he says he's not into judging women's attractiveness according to what some magazine list says, that will be forgotten--but every negative thing he ever said about any movie star's looks will be remembered! If he says he's in therapy, he gets no brownie points for subjecting himself to any amount of self-examination--instead, they remember the time he said he's only still in it to figure OTHER people out, and use it to mean that none of it has done him any good, and he needs lots more because he is obviously such a hopeless case! If he says he has a huge ego, they believe it; if he does something that belies him having a huge ego (despite what he says), they belittle it.

It doesn't seem to matter to them that KO seems to have a lot of female friends-only and colleagues who like and admire him. They just keep thinking up scenarios about how he isn't married yet because he's such a horrible man that any woman in her right mind would run from him screaming.

It's really kind of sick. Because yeah, they also spend a considerable amount of time talking about how good-looking he is and what a great journalist he is and how much they admire him. Yet every moment they talk about him that they're not admiring him for that, they're bashing him for how terribly they KNOW he treats women and how they wouldn't want to get within ten feet of him in real life.

And why? Why do they spend so much time berating KO, maybe more time than they spend in praise of him? Because--they need you to know and they need to have it well understood--they are not just a bunch of SILLYHEADED FANGIRLS! They know KO's not perfect. They KNOW he's human. They couldn't STAND the company of anyone who went on and on about KO's wonderfulness as if he had no flaws! And the only way to prove that they are not silly old girlyfans is--I guess--to go all the way to the other extreme and, for every nice thing they post in praise of Keith, make at least one post about how terrible he is to women and how he has no respect for them and how he only knows how to use them for sex and dump them on the trash heap. How do they know? Because someone's aunt's mother's sister's coworker's cousin's niece SAID SO! Or their humble leader, who likes to tell about how she "used to work in television" (yeah, sure...and I used to be President of the USA, how can you prove I wasn't?) and how she has all the inside poop from her "friends" still in the business that he is an A-number-1 asshole. There! THAT should keep anyone from mistaking us for silly fangirls! And if that doesn't work, let's bring out the heavy artillery...how many college degrees we have, how many languages we speak, how high our IQ's tested, what prestigious high-paying jobs we have...we can PROVE we're not fangirls, honest! And we can PROVE we don't care personally how KO is with women either...look at all of us who are married! Well, some of us are married, anyway!

Gee, ladies, you ever hear of that Aesop's fable about the fox and the grapes? You know, about the fox who realized the grapes were hanging so far above his head that he'd never be able to reach them, no matter how ripe and juicy they looked? The only way he could deal with his frustration was to say the grapes were probably SOUR, so who wanted them anyway! I bet if the story of the fox and the grapes were being retold today, the fox would have his own QT board where he could spend his time both going on and on about how juicy and delicious the grapes looked and at the same time talking about how if you ever actually bit into one, the horrible sourness of the juice would probably poison you to death! Yes, he'd have a whole board on that! A whole board obsessing on the amazing beauty and the horrid sourness of those grapes...with the emphasis on the sourness of the grapes. After all, we wouldn't want anyone to get the idea that we were frustrated, would we? Or that we were not the most cultivated, educated, intelligent, witty, attractive FOXES in the world, fully capable of getting our own grapes someplace else (that is, if we even believed grapes were worth getting)? Oh no!

You know what's nice about a board like this? People who like KO can say whatever they want in praise of him without being obsessed with the possibility that someone else might label them a silly fangirl. And feeling the need to counter it with a whole lot of blather about how terrible KO is as a human being.

I don't think there's a fan of KO's of any mature age who isn't quite aware that he is a human being and not a god, and that he has flaws like any other. But is it necessary that just because we admire him as a writer, journalist and broadcaster, and because some of us find him a physically attractive specimen (I guess a lot more people than I realized find themselves inexplicably attracted to a middle-aged, four-eyed man with gray hair that's receding as fast as his belly is expanding), that we also set up a whole collection of stories and tales to convince ourselves and others of how terrible he is as a man? Is there no room in our world for a god who doesn't have feet of clay? For a man who isn't "Public Persona, 10; Private Persona, 0"? Why is it necessary for some people to go to such extremes--to paint a person as all-wonderful and all-terrible simultaneously?

QT is fascinating to me as a case study in feminine pathology and the myths insecure women concoct about men they admire in the public eye in order to console themselves about not only the impossibility of their having a relationship with the admired man, but the frustrations some of them feel at not having a successful or smooth relationship with others either (whether husbands, dates, lovers, etc.). But overall it seems to me that it's not a healthy place to go as a KO fan, unless your greatest joy as a KO fan is to be part of an all-girl pajama party in which everyone sits around combing their hair, trying on makeup, comparing shopping hauls, smoking, and complaining about how stupid all the boys at school are--especially that one nerdy one, that for some reason they happen to find really hot and sexy. They just KNOW he's the sex fiend of the whole class, and that any girl who went out with him would be RUINED. They KNOW it.

I'd just as soon hang out in places where sanity is more likely to reign. Which is why you won't find me at OlbermannWatch either.
_________________
"Let's step out of the rational, calm world of sports, and sports radio, and move instead into the dangerous zone of corporate lawyers."--K.O.

5:38 PM  
Anonymous Still Pissed said...

How many times was QT dead on in a prediction or statement about KO? How many times did QT know something way before it came out on any other site? And how exactly do you think we managed to do that? Good guesses? We were psychic? No, luck and psychic ability had nothing to do with it. So how do you reconcile the above diatribe with that truth exactly? It's amazing how truth flies out the window when some are so obsessively consumed by rage, jealousy and hatred isn't it? Al Gore is right, the truth is inconvenient isn't it?

I highly suggest that said webmaster of said board which seems to have an unusually high percentage of such deranged, obessive characters populating its membership, to offer some free therapy sessions for his posters. That is, if he can fit therapy sessions in between his doctor duties and cop responsibilities and his new found hobby of issuing "legal" opinions. What's next on his list of careers? Indian Chief?

6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How many times was QT dead on in a prediction or statement about KO? How many times did QT know something way before it came out on any other site? And how exactly do you think we managed to do that? Good guesses? We were psychic? No, luck and psychic ability had nothing to do with it. So how do you reconcile the above diatribe with that truth exactly? It's amazing how truth flies out the window when some are so obsessively consumed by rage, jealousy and hatred isn't it? Al Gore is right, the truth is inconvenient isn't it?"

You're joking, right? LOL

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

has it ever occurred to any of you that some of the "newbies" who popped up were taken off-line to verify information and have maintained contact with certain members of the QT board, or may have even stayed on the board and just changed names?

Has it ever occurred to you that what was posted publicly on the board was intended to make people think these women had been "chased away" in order to keep much of the information private at the request of these women?

Q, you know damn well that there were people who popped up and were verified as having credible information and that, in fact, the regulars at the QT board took the discussion off-line to keep it private. Is that, in fact, why you left QT to begin with, is because you didn't agree with the discussion being hidden from people? So why, Q, do you pretend not to know that?

And as for the rest of you, if you have doubts about this, I suggest you ask Q directly. Go ahead, ask her.

Ask her if there was contact with some of these "newbies" away from the public board. Even better, ask her if there was an entire email group set up (by Q in fact) just for the purpose of these women being able to tell us in private things they were too scared to say on the board.

I can tell you, because I was on that list...that Q set up the list, and ultmiately shut it down out of retaliation when she got into a fight with the board administrator.

6:54 PM  
Anonymous Now I'm Really Pissed said...

It was a well-known fact off-board at QT how you people were so very desperate to post at QT that you resorted to anonymizers to do so.
And what happened when your troll posts were deleted? Why it was a conspiracy! The "truth" was being "wiped clean, never mind it was your dumb-ass troll posts that Psych was deleting. Again more truth that you people have twisted and distorted and flat-out lied about and you have the gall to ask me if I'm kidding?

7:24 PM  
Anonymous Regarding Q said...

Q, it's time your new pals at KO.org knew YOUR QT history. Q created an email list (coyly dubbed the "parking garage" by our Q) so she could get inside info on KO from persons who could provide it.

Then she got pissed, told the board administrator that all the QT members hated her (a huge lie), and stomped off into the ether. She tried to start a super-secret board of her own, but no one showed up. Pity.

She also thought--and posted and emailed repeatedly--that KO was giving on-air signals to her. Apparently they were meant for someone else, as you now know. Must've burst your bubble.

I was on that mailing list, too, and I can attest to the fact that every word that Anon 6:54 wrote is true.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous QT Girls still Rule said...

And when we tried to spoof Q for her belief that KO was sending her signs (a belief also shared I hope kiddingly by the DU girls) that was then used against us as "evidence" that we were obsessed, crazy, or whatever you call it. Pretty ironic but at least we were kidding about it. Turns out he really was sending someone signs, just not us or Q or any girly fan.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Regarding Q said...

Incidentally, if Q is denying all this or blaming it on someone else (which is her MO), just follow the link below to the first QT board, which still exists. Go back a few pages and you'll find all Q's posts about setting up a mailing list--among other things.

http://www.quicktopic.com/25/H/mHMnt3nXci7qu

7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since no one can prove anything that Karma posts, the conversation has to turn towards attacking someone else. Typical MO of the "galpals," I'd say. Trash and ridicule, yep, that's the "galpals."

Why would ANYONE believe Karma's story at face value? She comes across as a cocky, immature person. Whenever anyone questions her motives, "proof," or whatever, they are deleted, edited, or never posted.

I don't know Keith Olbermann, but I'm skeptical of this story. It smells worse than a pile of dung.

Automatically, Olbermann is guilty, guilty, guilty in the eyes of many. I sure wouldn't want most of you on my jury.

What has she said that convinces you so overwhelmingly that Karma is on the mark?

All this does is make me feel sorry for Olbermann. I wouldn't want to live in his fishbowl, that's for sure.

8:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If only you knew.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of people have actually had perfectly normal correspondence with Olbermann. I think it says a lot that she had to send photos of her naughty bits to get his attention.

9:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you guys don't believe her why are you obsessed with her blog? I tend to ignore things that have no importance.

I'm sorry but until I hear a denial from KO, I will continue to believe KarmaB's story.

9:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh. My. God. Forget sockpuppets. What we have are parrots. Lots and lots of parrots. They imitate most anything they hear a person says. "Brawwwwk! Brawwwwww! Galpals, must be galpals, must be galpals. Brawwwwwk!"

It's also eerily reminiscent of Dustin Hoffman's character in "Rainman." "QT. QT. QT. Must be QT. Only QT. QT. QT. Galpals. Galpals."

Please, people. The board is gone. What is it about that that is so difficult to understand? And the mailing list disappeared after Q had her snit and left. IT'S OVER. THERE IS NO UNDERGROUND. THERE IS NO PLAN OF ATTACK. Go fight with Bob Cox if you really feel the need.

10:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank goodness QT is gone. It was a cesspool of hate. Karma fit in well there.

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

12:56 AM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

And how is it that I'm a horrible person for technologically fascilitating the parking garage which everybody agreed would be the best idea under the circumstances?
Suddenly it's my bad, but not anybody else's?
-q

1:06 AM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

(And Bob Cox owes some QT'ers a nice dinner for all this juicy gossip he can amuse his buddies with.)
It's seriously hard to tell one from other these days. OW women's aux is right.
And tell me AGAIN how I'M the one making everything all about ME. SAY IT AGAIN.
I wasn't even online between 6PM and 1AM Mountain Time tonight.
-q

1:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, all the squawking from QT galpal(s) makes me wonder why they went into attack mode at the mention of the archives at Olbermannwatch. Did that comment strike a mite too close for comfort for someone? His archives of posts from approximately a year & a half ago are illuminating reading. The claim that he was stalking a (the?) QT galpal? He responded to emails that particular galpal sent unsolicited by him.

1:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, and if you think that bugging me daily with this crap is going to make me slit my own throat like Psych did, think again.
O.o isn't going anywhere.
-q

1:14 AM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

Or is this all just because I'm auto-deleting all your emails, and you miss talking to (screeching at) me?
Awww....
-q

1:34 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

I received an e-mail from Quanlin asking me to make an edit to one of her comments. I can't edit comments - I can only delete them. I decided to copy the entire comment, make the edit she asked for, and repost it here.

Quanlin said...

Greetings.
Yes, a lot of that is true, but some of it isn't.
"told the board administrator that all the QT members hated her (a huge lie)"
When did I say that? -edit- KK -end edit- is the only one aside from Psych to send me this sort of screed:

----

I speak for myself and no one else, but here is one person who wont miss you at all.

Good luck in Colorado, that hotbed of pageant-related child murder and homophobia. Keep that soapbox shiny and high horse shoed, so you can use your vast moral superiority to tell off the rest of the world and continue to disparage other regoins of the U.S. and everyone who disagrees with you about anything.

----

This, because I had the AUDACITY to disagree. I then left the board alone, never posted again, and didn't even visit for the next six months. For this, I got random emails from Psych calling me "passive agressive." Yeah.
BTW, you haven't been responding to any posts from me this evening. I was at dinner and a movie, The Lake House. I liked it. It was tasteful and cute, and somehow, they were able to make a man look good in turtlenecks.
-q

12:56 AM

5:23 AM  
Anonymous Regarding Q said...

It's unfortunate that people confuse hate with discussion, criticism, and dialogue. Dwight Eisenhower said "May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." Sorry if honest dissent doesn't fit in to your fascist, lockstep world.

Q copped to the truth (partially)! Amazing! Finally! If only you'd done it earlier. Q, you carried such a grudge against QT that you wouldn't rest until it was gone. You could have told the truth--that QT never had a relationship with OW, among other things--but you didn't. In fact, I strongly suspect that you motivated sentiment against the board. I see that you're happy now, self-righteously posting everywhere. Well, enjoy being cozy with your new pals. It won't be long until you piss them off or they piss you off, and that relationship will be over, too.

And that was why you left. NOT because you disagreed. Because you wanted to moderate the board and didn't get your wish. You stomped off like a 3 year old.

Psych did not slit her own throat. (How melodramatic. Nice to see you've taken on the coloring of your new pals, chameleon that you are.) Given this mess, deleting QT was the best thing for all. Yet the accusations against QT haven't stopped. Incredible.

I don't think anyone at QT knew that there were QT archives at OW. I still haven't seen them and don't know what they contain. Why?Because I don't visit that board. Just as I don't visit KO.org. They're two sides of the same coin--crazy for and crazy against.

And to use one of your favorite words, Q--classy--it was REALLY classy of you to post KK's name and make light of Bob Cox's crusade against one board member. That was all true. Just Google her name and you'll see what comes up. It was no joke. And she stopped posting on QT just so others wouldn't be harassed by him either.

Keep in mind, Q, that the enemy of my friend is my enemy. And what goes around comes around. Your turn will come--again.

5:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Q, no one said you were a horrible person. What I said was that you are aware that there was verified information from some of these "newbies" that supposedly send the board into a frenzy.

Q knows that it is likely that Karma is exactly who she says she is. Yet she says nothing, particularly to Michael who seems to have issued a fatwa against anyone who speaks ill of Olbermann.

Michael, just ask Q what she knows, go ahead.

5:46 AM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

This has to be the most bizarre stuff I've read in quite a while.

The QT Olbermann fans think other K.O. fan boards are populated by Olbermann syncophants and the other Olbermann fans think the QTers are menopausal shrews with daddy issues...

More bizarre still; all these gnashing-and-scratching quid pro quo posts read as though written by the same author.

I'm no fan of Keith Olbermann and sincerely believe that where there's smoke (constant rumors of his perfidy with women) there's fire (in his pants and in his spleen), HOWEVAAHHH... this cat fight among his fans makes even me uncomfortable. It's harpies like you gals who give us women a bad name.

Come to think about it...Olbermann's perinnial single status and the perinnial gossip about his treatment of women may spring less from his narcism than from the sort of woman he attracts.

But I suppose one follows the other like diarrhea follows food poisoning...

6:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But I suppose one follows the other like diarrhea follows food poisoning..."

Explains Cecilia's relationship to Bob Cox perfectly. Seriously Cecilia, you're hardly one to be lecturing anyone about what gives women a bad name.

6:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drop the bullshit Q. We have your emails to us and we don't mind posting them here for the world to see.

6:54 AM  
Anonymous Get A LIfe said...

You all do realize that this is all about not very well read or populated messgae boards about a D list celeb at best right? Is this worth the continuous fighting and harping at one another about? You people, each and every single one of you need to go get fucking lives and worry about something that really matters. Crappy internet message boards and crappy d-list celebs are NOT worth it.

6:56 AM  
Anonymous It's Time to Tell The TRUTH said...

We saw one of our members forced to go to the authorities in an attempt to stop Cox from posting personal information about her family and herself on his site, information that still remains there to this day. We learned long ago what a dangerous enemy he truly is. The idea that you could suggest for one single second that we were somehow in on this with him is a horrible, nasty, vile, outrageous lie and you know it. Yet you continue to tell these lies and smear us all in the process.

That entire debacle was a horrible, scary experience for her and for her family and for us as a group too. She went through time, money, and great mental anguish trying to fight him. The mere suggestion that you think we'd somehow "join forces" with him is revolting and so far from the truth that I can't even begin to put it into words. Don't you think you owe her (and us) a huge apology for such outrageous lies? That was a painful episode in her life and to see it revisited here, and distorted into such a horrible, ugly way by some of you trying so hard to justify your actions against us as a group is deplorable and truly beyond belief.

Grow up, get a life, stop lying your assess off about us, expand your horizons and quit this silly obsession with us, learn to apologize for your mistakes and take responsibility for your own actions for once in your sorry, miserable, pathetic, empty lives.

7:33 AM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

"Explains Cecilia's relationship to Bob Cox perfectly. Seriously Cecilia, you're hardly one to be lecturing anyone about what gives women a bad name."

If Bob Cox was engaged in lambasting other Olbermann critics over some heretical and overblown pro-K.O. thought crime, your...eh..point...might be more relevant than just a "It takes one to know one" retort...

8:20 AM  
Anonymous Regarding Q said...

"And tell me AGAIN how I'M the one making everything all about ME. SAY IT AGAIN."

Gotcha, there, huh? You don't like being outed on a board where you're not known, huh?

Oh, and the QT archives at OW are interesting, huh? When in the hell did you ever believe anything on OW? Do you not think whatever's there hasn't been taken out of context or doctored? Please.

The fact is, KO.org seems to have become the annex of OW. I hear that there's a lot of cross-posting going on. Maybe the boards have joined forces to defame Keith. Nothing would surprise me now.

And nice of you to ask the Rat to delete KK's name. You should have known better than to have posted it in the first place. You're a thirteen-year-old in the body of a woman in her mid-30s, Q. I suggest you catch your intellect and emotional age up with your chronological age.

And no one ever said O'o is a bad board. It's excellent--the best on the web. Although I dislike you intensely, I'm enough of an adult to give credit where it's due.

Thanks for amending that post, Jan.

8:22 AM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

"That entire debacle was a horrible, scary experience for her and for her family and for us as a group too. She went through time, money, and great mental anguish trying to fight him."


Oh, please. Drama Queen Marisa loved every damn minute of it.

What's more her behavior positively begged for a public exposure.

Yes, Marisa did attempt to sic the authorities on Bob Cox and the fact that all her vital statistics are still easily accessible on Olbermann Watch speaks to the legitimacy of her case...

But then Bob stated it best when replied to Marisa's threats of legal action and to her screeches of victimhood.

He wrote:

"Let me close by suggesting that before you casually imply taking legal threats on this site that you do more thinking about how screen grabs work than you have done about how Google and Log Files work. When someone as unwell as you publicly accuses me of "stalking" her because I responded to their e-mails then I take notice. I also take action including compiling a dossier on that person and documenting, via screen grabs, every foul-mouthed, defamatory comment. If you really want to go do down that path then, by all means, "bring it on".

As I said Olbermann Watch is still there and so is Marisa's information. The only thing missing are her tales of trials, tribulations, emotional trauma, and such. Poor baby.

Yes, Marisa's perils are now just for you folks to peruse and to enjoy. Yet from what I've read here, the victim Marisa has managed to stick in the throats of more than just Olbermann critics...

No surprise there. But then she always failed to amaze us at Olbermann Watch...

8:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Oh, please. Drama Queen Marisa loved every damn minute of it."

Really Cecelia? Then where did Marisa go? If she loved every minute of it how come she disappeared and won't even make an appearance to defend herself when Bob has again evoked her name in half-cocked conspiracies more than a year after the whole episode.

And tell us dear Cecelia, do you know Marisa personally, enough to make conjectures about what she did or didn't enjoy and what a "drama queen" she was?

Reality flies in the face of your accusations Cecelia. Someone who was seeking publicity would have continued to engage with Cox rather then begging him to take the information down.

It was Bob who continued to revel in the glory of creating public drama...not Marisa. Marisa begged Bob to take the information down and then disappeared. Not even bothering to emerge when Bob once again attacked her in the last couple of months. Hardly the behavior of someone who "loved every minute of it."

9:20 AM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

"Q, you carried such a grudge against QT that you wouldn't rest until it was gone."

I wouldn't rest?? What is it that you accuse me of doing? Oh, yeah, I remember. I'm an Iago. I'm the puppetmaster behind all the other newcomers who got flayed alive for posting on QT. (I guess I have to clarify my sarcasm here, or you will take that as a confession, won't you?) No, I didn't post to the board once after I left, and no, I didn't talk to whoever was posting on the board. You created those problems yourself.
I have no first-hand knowledge about Karma. I have no idea who she is anymore than anybody else does. She must have some connection to Cat, because Cat posted the blog link to QT first, and she would have to be close to the blogger in order to know about it. That's a given, and one of the few concrete clues in this whole thing. (I'm taking that Cat posted to QT before anyone else from what others told me. I'm sure you will correct me if I'm mistaken about that.)
I have the record of what Cat told us back in the day. It's very vague, and there's no evidence there either. So I remain an agnostic on Karma.
Even if the rumor were true, I really don't give a shit. I'm not his wife, and I'm not sending him sleazy pics of myself. I enjoy his work, and I respect him for his work.
Yes, he's easy on the eyes (and ears) too, but that doesn't entitle me to tell him how to live his life.
I knew about rumors of his personal troubles before I started O.o, and yet I built it, grew it and maintained it all this time anyway. That should clue you in that I accept the humanity of KO, warts and all.
Thanks for the compliment for O.o.
And how can we miss you if you won't go away?
-q

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have the record of what Cat told us back in the day. It's very vague, and there's no evidence there either."

So Q, you don't remember a story being told to you more than a year ago about KO and an email mistress who was providing him with pictures? Funny, because I do.

Here's the evidence that Q isn't wanting to admit she has. More than a year ago Q was told the story (as were the rest of us) that we're now hearing from Karma. True enough that very little evidence was provided at the time, there has been some evidence posted now.

Furthermore, Q can verify that she heard this story about KO, the email mistress and the pictures MORE THAN A YEAR AGO.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then why did karma wait until now to go public?

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Reality flies in the face of your accusations Cecelia. Someone who was seeking publicity would have continued to engage with Cox rather then begging him to take the information down.

It was Bob who continued to revel in the glory of creating public drama...not Marisa."


Oh, I LOVED all the begging and going posts! I was particularly moved by the one where Marisa wrote that she found herself sitting in the middle of her living floor, sobbing her heart out like a lost and defenseless little girl. Lifetime Channel afternoon movie material at its finest!

"Marisa begged Bob to take the information down and then disappeared. Not even bothering to emerge when Bob once again attacked her in the last couple of months. Hardly the behavior of someone who "loved every minute of it."

I suppose after one has avowed that one is so riddled with fear that one has contacted Bob's ISP and have also claimed to have contacted the police, it would belie one's claims to keep popping up on the website.... We had to settle for Marisa in her many aliases and/or the "galpals" to keep the hysterics going on the site and via personal email as well.

I suppose I still have all the email I received from her/them...whoever...in my old mail folder. I may dust it off and send it to Bob and Johnny so they can get one more laugh...

12:54 PM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

Oops...I wrote the above, of course... :D

12:55 PM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

Well, goodness...why would it bother anyone but the prudest of prudes that Mr. Looks Voice Talent would barter for skin shots with promises of access?

As long as he sounds looks tanned and sounds like Al Franken, what the hell...

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cecelia, if you got an email from Marisa I'd love to see it. Some how I doubt Marisa ever sent you an email. If you've got no email from Marisa, you can hardly go around claiming to have had any contact with her...lest you wish to be just like Karma. Making accusations and then failing to recognize when your own behavior is exactly like the behavior you claim to deplore.

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Marisa ever posting anything about sitting on her living room floor, but whatever, I'm not sure I can claim to know every post that was made.

On the other hand, you've done a great job of illustrating exactly where the "all the gal pals are one person" meme came from...Bob Cox.

I just love how Marisa has become the mythical boogeywoman of OlbermannWatch, getting resurected at every chance for a conspiracy theory about who the latest troll is. I know! I know! It must be Marisa!

It's fucking hysterical to watch you get into a tizzy over the idea that "Marisa" has once again infiltrated the board again.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cecelia-- I've gone back and looked over every comment made by Bob and Marisa on the "mother of all comments" thread...there is no such mention of Marisa sitting on the living room floor crying as you have suggested.

So, what in the hell are you talking about? Or do you just generall make shit up in order to attack people who've disappeared in the ether long ago?

Pathetic, Cecelia, really.

1:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cecelia-- I've gone back and looked over every comment made by Bob and Marisa on the "mother of all comments" thread...there is no such mention of Marisa sitting on the living room f

1:22 PM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

"I just love how Marisa has become the mythical boogeywoman of OlbermannWatch, getting resurected at every chance for a conspiracy theory about who the latest troll is. I know! I know! It must be Marisa!"


So now I've joined the ranks of the QT girls... I didn't resurrect Marisa. One of them did. I simply responded to the characterization of her as having been victimized on Olbermann Watch.

She was resurrected here by someone as a defense against the charge that the QT chicks are double agents for the big bad Bob Cox.

Talk about your "bogeymen"! If these sorts of accusations flying around between Olbermann FANS don't constitute obsession and paranoia to the point of lunacy, then you really are from a different planet...

Oh, and I wouldn't doubt for a minute if Marisa was still posting and trolling under various screen names. I'd wager I'm not alone in that assumption, but she has painted herself into a scenario where she has to take her craziness under cover, so who cares where she is.

Too, I just went and checked my old mail box. I not only have several letters from "Name Witheld", they revist Marisa's arguments but also several from her personally that were forwarded to me by a fellow poster on OW at the time. A fellow liberal with Marisa, he initially took her side, but later was dismayed and fearful over her instability. But no, I'm not sharing them with you but I might post them to Olbermann Watch if the subject arises, so stayed tuned... :D

1:34 PM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

Yes, more than a year ago, which predates Karma's story. And it was no more detailed than what you've posted here today -- two sentences at most. (OMG! It's a long dash! Bring out the heavy artillery!!) No excerpts, no pictures, no names, no dates, certainly nothing concrete like email headers or apologies from KO.
Just about the same situation as Karma.
So, there we stand. Rumors.
It's up to each of us to decide if we buy them or not, and how much they would matter if they were true.
-q

3:46 PM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

"Oh, and I wouldn't doubt for a minute if Marisa was still posting and trolling under various screen names. I'd wager I'm not alone in that assumption"

We have all too many assumptions flying around from all directions.
Since somebody may be thinking the same thing of me too, I'm going to state plainly that I have not posted on OW since the Marisa incident, under any names, and I very rarely visit it either.
-q

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Quanlin said...

"there has been some evidence posted now"

On Karma's blog? No, there hasn't been. Some of us are confused about what constitutes proof. Friend-of-a-friend stories, retold rumors and conventional wisdom don't count.
-q

4:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Too, I just went and checked my old mail box. I not only have several letters from "Name Witheld", they revist Marisa's arguments but also several from her personally that were forwarded to me by a fellow poster on OW at the time. A fellow liberal with Marisa, he initially took her side, but later was dismayed and fearful over her instability. But no, I'm not sharing them with you but I might post them to Olbermann Watch if the subject arises, so stayed tuned... :D"

Right, so point made, you never actually received an email from Marisa. And by the way, you've never addressed this "Marisa sitting on the living room floor" comment you claim was made by Marisa.

4:39 PM  
Anonymous Regarding Q said...

Q, nothing you say counts.

And you still haven't learned to get all you want to blather about into one post. No wonder you haven't been able to graduate from college. How pathetic.

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Helloooo, Jan? What, no more insightful missives into Karma's guilt? Haven't seen you around much for a few days. Busy? Changed your mind? Realized that your board's been usurped by a bunch of loons? Where are you???

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This needs to stop. It needs to stop NOW. None of you are doing anyone any favors with this sniping and fighting back and forth. You're not going to convince the other side of your arguments and you're only succeeding in making the Olbermann enemies laugh even louder at all of you. Raton established this blog to debunk karma. I have no idea what any of this has to do with either of your boards or her but take it private if you must feud with one another. None of you are a credit to the Olbermann fan community and you make the rest of us look bad in the process. Is that really the impression you want to leave? Please stop this. Please.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous cg said...

omg

another?

keitholbermannisevil

6:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could we please stop accusing people of things by name that we have no proof whatsoever that they are involved in? Just how far do you people intend to go in your conspiracy theories and character assasinations? Both sides, please stop this now. I don't care who is wrong and who is right or who is guilty and who is innocent here but I do care when this takes a turn for the very personal as it has here.

6:30 PM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

"Right, so point made, you never actually received an email from Marisa. And by the way, you've never addressed this "Marisa sitting on the living room floor" comment you claim was made by Marisa."


Oh, actually, I'm sure I did and that's all that matters. As for the crying on the floor thing, it was a letter she claimed to have written to Bob. She was worried about her father, who Bob had pointed out is an OBGYN. In her mind this is synonymous with "abortionist" in the public mind, don't you know, so he was in grave danger...

I wonder if the rightwing death squad has offed him yet?....

No? Well, I supposed she got all worked up over nothing... and of course, you have too... :D

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Oh, actually, I'm sure I did and that's all that matters."

Got proof? Oh that's right, you don't. But just so long as you know the truth...well, you can be right up there in Karma's company making accusations and posting no proof.

"As for the crying on the floor thing, it was a letter she claimed to have written to Bob."

Oh, I see, so despite your best attempts to claim otherwise Marisa wasn't creating public drama at all. It was something she sent privately in an email to someone else who then forwarded it to you? Let me get this straight. So, you pop on this site, resurecting the name of Marisa, claiming all the while that she's some kind of publicity whore drama queen and then the evidence you give us was some supposed comment she made publicly about crying on her living room floor. Only later to admit that Marisa didn't ever make such a comment publicly (there by completely shooting down your own theory that she was doing all of this to get public attention).

Keep it up Cecelia, you're losing credibility exponentially.

"I wonder if the rightwing death squad has offed him yet?...."

Oh, that's right. I forgot what a heartless cunt you are.

8:40 PM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

Anyone who wants to judge whether Marisa made a public scene only need go to Olbermann Watch and read that thread for themselves.

And considering that I said that Marisa made one both on the board and in private email, I'm wondering just how noncredible it is for me to say that she ....made one... in private email.

But anyway... I had NOT forgotten what a silly over-the-top vile little drama queen you are.

4:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But anyway... I had NOT forgotten what a silly over-the-top vile little drama queen you are."

Ah in true form, when all else fails accuse me of being Marisa. In fact, when all else fails accuse everyone of being Marisa.

And Raton, I agree with your post from this morning and will attempt to abide by your request. Anyone wondering what this particular comment has to do with Karma I'd like to remind you that what has been going on is Karma being accused of being everyone and other random people being accused of being Karma. It's the typical MO of the OlbermannWatch crowd. apparently some of the other Olbermann fans have picked up the behavior as well.

Just wanted to make a point at Cecelia's expense, that it would only take about three comments before Cecelia started accusing me of being Marisa. It's what they always do.

7:49 AM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

"Just wanted to make a point at Cecelia's expense, that it would only take about three comments before Cecelia started accusing me of being Marisa. It's what they always do. "


Well, more than happy to oblige, Marisa. I'd have done it sooner had I known.

FYI-- You'll be particularly interested my last post on the lawn thread. Perhaps the senator will too. :D

9:11 AM  

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