Monday, July 10, 2006

Get off the lawn!

In addition to several of the comments on here, I received an email this weekend asking me to do something about all the name calling and finger pointing going on. I'm stuck because I would like to see this blog stay focused on the karmabites1 situation, but I don't want to censor anyone in any way. I suspect that the people who are posting the snipes at each other's fan sites and/or forums think that in some way it has to do with karmabites1.

I'm not going to turn on comment moderation. Karmabites1's selective comment moderation is what led to the creation of this blog, and as I said in a comment on a previous post, I think it would be hypocritical of me to moderate comments. I don't really have the time to dedicate to watching the comments anyway.

All I can do is ask people to think before they post. Does your comment really have anything to do with karmabites1, or can you just not resist getting in a jab at another forum?

Thank you. Now go check out Keith Olbermann Is Evil.

175 Comments:

Anonymous Cecelia said...

Could you be meaning me, guvnor?...

I'm not really sure how anyone is going to discuss the Karmabites thing under the parameters you wish to set.

You've already established that you think she's lying. No problem there. She certainly could be lying.

You've already established that even if she isn't lying, that you think it likely that Olbermann had good intentions but after meeting Karmabites, decided to get away ASAP. No problem there. That's a very valid scenario, considering what taken from the posts of Karma, herself...

But tough parameters--- Karma is probably lying but even if she isn't Olbermann did nothing wrong.... Seems rather circular that...

But then I suppose there's always your "what would make a person do such a thing" angle--- the devil? Karma? Bob Cox? We've come right around again...

I'm sorry your blog readers have got to sit on the ground where your lawn lies...

6:15 AM  
Anonymous Pi said...

Cecelia, please do enlighten us on the subject of how the sniping going on among you, the QT harpies, and the KO.org sycophants has anything at all to do with Karmabites1 story. Or how being asked to stay on topic is akin to strangling discussion.

Frankly, I could care less about who may be an agent for whom or if Big Bad Bob Cox made somebody cry. I would like to know is what you think of Karma and her story and why. I've read you enough on OW and ICN to know that we rarely agree, but that doesn't mean I don't want your perspective on this. This, and not a years-old feud. I have a feeling we may be closer in agreement on this than any KO topic ever.

The Rat put this up for discussion, not laying down an opinion etched in stone. If you find her logic circular (which I also do), please share your views. If you already have, forgive me. They've been lost in the flood.

7:11 AM  
Anonymous Thanks for the Laugh said...

So Raton: Could you please explain your circular logic here a bit more clearly for those of us who are quite perplexed by your statement about how you don't want to engage in "selective comment moderation".

See the evidence here quite clearly demonstrates you were more than willing to delete the comment of a certain individual at their request. So please explain to me how it is that you could delete ONE comment at the request of a certain individual and NOT apply your stated "rules" fairly to all? A deletion is a deletion right? So it's okay to delete one post but not others? Could you explain exactly what made the difference here in this instance? Could it be, perhaps, that the poster was a good buddy of yours and you were only too happy to comply with their request? So every post made at this board is visible, except the one made by your little buddy correct? Yeah, that makes perfect sense alright.

Now let's address the idea that comemnt moderation is an "evil" thing. Wouldn't it allow you to ensure that this blog stays on the stated purpose of your blog instead of veering dangerously off-topic? Sure, we wouldn't know what you were deleting or not or if posts were being made to support or debunk your claims Karma is lying but wouldn't that be better than encouraging a full-fledged war between rival camps? Unless of course, you have a dog in that particular fight and have no problem with this sort of thing which would again, explain a hell of a lot now about you and your circular logic wouldn't it?

If you truly want to do the right thing here, you'll limit your comments to the stated and original intention of your blog's creation: debunking Karma and you'll also apply your "rules" fairly to every poster here, not selectively as the evidence clearly shows you have done, despite your protests to the contrary.

Hypocrital is a big word too and one which you apparently don't fully understand the meaning of but have quite nicely demonstrated the meaning of for the rest of us.

8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me thinks the QT girls know a bit about more Karma than the rest of us do.

Me also thinks Karma has devulged more to the "gal pals" then to the rest of us. Hence the sniping between the QT gals and everyone else.

The "gal pals" have been avid defenders of Olbermann in the past. Remember, it was a QT girl who had the knock-down-drag-out with Cox that Cecelia keeps referencing. Anyone wonder why the QT girls seem to have had such a change of heart?

I'm certainly left wondering. What do they know that the rest of us don't?

9:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Methinks is 100Q% full of shit.

This was NEVER discussed off-board at QT. We don't not know who Karma is. We do not care who Karma is and we would like her to vanish just as much as the rest of you want her to. Sorry to disappoint you and shoot down your conspiracy theories about us (yet another one) but it is not true, was never true and is never going to be true no matter how many times you try and repeat it in yet another attempt to slime us.

You people are beyond pathetic, you're delusional and you've apparently decided that we are somehow responsible for every shitty thing that happens bad in Keith Olbermann's life. Well I hate to burst your bubbles here and present an ugly dose of reality for you but that is simply not true.

None of us were happy about that story when it appeared and we by and large ignored it except for a couple of folks who called her out on the board and tried to shoot holes in her claims. But all of that is being forgotten now as you jump on yet another "truth" in your ongoing attempt to do whatever it is that you think you are doing to QT in your ongoing obsession with us which apparently knows no end and includes any and all lies you can possibly think to slime us with.

GET A LIFE and while you're at it? Buy a clue too huh? It's obvious you need one, along with a decent IQ and a good dose of reality and sanity.

11:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it just admitted here in another thread that the QT girls HAD in fact heard this story from someone MORE than a year ago, off the board in your private email group?

11:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But we had no ties whatsoever to Karma and have no idea who she is nor do we have any "inside" information specifically about HER.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, yet more distortions of the truth and bending of "evidence" to fit your warped theories. What exactly are you accusing us here of? Being Karma? WRONG. Being responsible for her blog? WRONG AGAIN. Being responsible for every single bad thing that happens to Keith Olbermann? WRONG YET AGAIN. He got into trouble all by himself long before we were even a thought and he'll continue to do so with or without us. We were/are in no responsible for Karma's blog, we have no ties to her and we don't know any more than you do about any of this. I haven't even read her stupid blog in the past week nor do I care to for that matter.

But I suppose our denials will somehow be seen as further "proof" we're responsible or that we know more than we're telling huh? I assure you that we do not.

If you have an issue with Karma, fine, no problem, I have quite a few of my own too, and I'll gladly join you in that sentiment. But do not attempt to tie us with her, or Olbermannwatch or any other group that we had/have absolutely nothing to do with. I'll fight you every step of the way and if I have to, you'll find out exactly how defamation laws really work.

12:10 PM  
Anonymous Brandon said...

Speaking solely for myself and not for the rest of the readers at Owatch I just want to strongly urge both sides to keep this nastiness up. It's hilarious stuff. I'm loving each and every minute of it. Thanks again.

12:49 PM  
Anonymous You're Barking up the Wrong Tree said...

Are you people seriously this stupid?

The one and only forum that Karma stated she'd ever belonged to was at DU where she says she's still a "member in good standing" of the KOEB.

Or is that another inconvenient and pesky truth that doesn't quite fit in with your conspiracy theories, lies, and groundless accusations so it therefore must be dismissed while the dogs of war continue barking up the wrong tree?

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brandon, you're evil, but I mean that in the best possible way. Thanks for the laugh.

1:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ratón Anónimo: is that Spanish or French? And is there any truth to the rumor it translates into BATSHIT CRAZY?

3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No actually what it really stands for it this: EVERYONE HERE IS FUCKING CRAZY.

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Haiku said...

Sock Puppets, Idiots and Liars: Oh my!
Stupid host, Stupid Fans
Can't stand the heat
now the shit has hit the fan
too busy fighting one another
too dumb to buy a clue
It must suck being all of you.

3:24 PM  
Anonymous Ann Coulter's Cunt said...

Bat shit crazy? No, I vote for it means "fucking cunt".

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it means Ann coulter's cunt in ratspeak?

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont you think if she had something that it would have magically appreared in Bill O'Reilly's mailbox?
If this was true dont you think he would be all over this story?

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crazy host, crazy fans
they worship the man with the
orange "tan".

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cecelia, you don't expect the Olbermann loons to start making sense NOW do you?

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Baa baa black sheep
have you any wool
crazy olbermann fans
can't see he's a fool.

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blue green orange yellow
tonight what color will be their fellow?

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So sad is Olbermann
he's such a liberal tool
with so many stupid and crazy fans
you must pity the fool

4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Proof? What proof?
Don't they know Olbermann's a poof?

4:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 3:06: it's Spanish and translates to "anonymous mouse." Clever, huh?

Listen, Rat, face it. You've totally lost control of your blog. No one gives a rat's ass (clever, no?) what you have to say. Either pack it in and give the KO loonies one less place to fight, or get on the stick and MODERATE YOUR FUCKING BOARD! Christ, it wouldn't be an egregious offense against the First Amendment. Depriving the loons of a place to fight would be a service. To all.

And don't forget that the only reason you started this blog was because you were pissed that Karma didn't post your comments. Boo-hoo. Suck it up and get with the program.

4:35 PM  
Anonymous Hypocritical Much There Raton? said...

Bottom line here is that Raton is full of suggestions on how Karma can improve and run her blog but she damn sure doesn't want any advice on how to run her own. Double standard there huh Raton?

5:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And where is her evidence debunking Karma exactly? Put up or shut up Raton.

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

I'm disturbed by the fact that people take Olbermann's apology for the Cosby e-mails as an apology for the alleged Karma e-mails. It wasn't a blanket apology for everything he's ever wrote. It seemed to be for the e-mails about Cosby and to certain viewers.

I've never seen proof that Karma had anything to do with the original e-mail. Never has she posted return paths.

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What would be proof she sent those Rita emails? Her name, age, social security number? And return paths can be faked, right? So what would that show you exactly unless you're someone within MSNBC's IT department and I guess you wouldn't need confirmation, you'd already have proof he sent it.

8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

his fans they're in a funk
seems their man is into one night fucks

8:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did someone send in the clowns here or what?

8:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one is a bigger clown that KO in his orange fake man-tan. He's even got the makeup for it.

8:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I've never seen proof that Karma had anything to do with the original e-mail. Never has she posted return paths."

For christ's sake people (this is directed at those who STILL think Karma didn't give the original email to Lloyd) she has posted BOTH sides of the discussion. Something Lloyd didn't do in his column. What is she, psychic?

If you don't want to believe KO slept with her...fine. But seriously, how totally beligerent do you have to be to still try to claim Karma didn't give Grove the Rita email?

10:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But you see, there's a problem.

SHE didn't give him the email.

I did!

She's lying!

4:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice try 4:12. Now please post YOUR emails to Lloyd Grove, and all of your emails with KO and we'll believe YOU.

4:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally beligerent? Try totally ignorant too.

The Rita email given to Lloyd Grove has been posted at Karma's site and the entire exchange put into context. But the olbyloons still want to pretend he didn't write it, it's a fake, and that Karma is lying to the point now where some idiot is trying to claim they sent the Rita email to Lloyd Grove.

Note to idiot: You're not helping. If you're a "fan", you wouldn't be sending an email that would get him into hot water now would you? You're not proving a damn thing about Karma except your own ignorance and willingness to lie in order to protect Olbermann. Are you people truly this stupid?

They've tried to claim the emails were fake, they've demanded headers and return paths, knowing full well that these would show them nothing and prove not a thing. They keep raising the bar of evidence higher and higher and higher as it becomes ever more apaprent that Olbermann is a lying douchebag (a term he'll understand) who preys upon his more attractive female fans.

What they really want is the name and address of this woman so they can burn her at the stake like the witch they believe her to me. Oh excuse me, that's sociopathic/psycopathic witch they believe her to be. You know, for a bunch of "comnpassionate liberal" types, they sure don't mind hurling insults and lies and venom at her and their fellow fans now do they?

Alas, their opportunity to cast an entry in the great "Have a one-night stand with Keith Olbermann" contest has passed them by as he is no longer replying to emails sent by fans according to today's New York Times. Middle-aged frumps the world over are wailing in misery at that bit of news.

5:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raton's a cunt. A lying cunt. With a stinky smelly Ann Coulter Cunt.

5:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous--why don't you give us YOUR name. Where's YOUR proof? Ha-ha--you're a sock puppet. You're a liar. You're an idiot.

5:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Olbermann has admitted he sent those emails. ANd he's apologized for them yet again. And you still think she's making this shit up or that they were forged? Just how stupid are you idiots anyway?

9:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get off the lawn? No, why don't you get off that fucking planet of denial you live on there "Raton" and take your idiotic buddies on the ride back to earth with you.

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Olbermann's NEVER apologized for anything to do with karma. NEVER.

It's very possible that karma took the comments from Grove's column, and faked an e-mail making it look like she is the one who sent it in. Very simple.

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't he be DENYING that email if he hadn't sent it? Really people whatever you're on, I wish I had some of it because apparently it just puts you way, way, way, way out in outer space and denies you of every single thought you ought to have in your head. Are you on Olbermann's payroll? His publicist? Or are you him? Stop trying to throw up every batshit theory you have in order to exonerate him. GET OVER IT. He's a bigger rat than the webmistress of this blog.

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only "batshit theories" being posted anywhere were begun by Karma. And THAT's the truth.

And I am the same "anonymous" who posted saying that I sent in the Rita email to Lloyd Grove. You're right! I lied about that! And the only reason I did it? To prove how easy it is for people to be lying! Ha!

5:54 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

Anon 5:54: I agree with you. Karma started this. No one seems to grasp the idea that she could doctor an e-mail to look like the Grove one.

Interesting that she was going to tell what "really" happened that night...but then she yanked it off her blog.

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My goodness gracious! It's another blog!

Someone else finally speaks:

http://forthiscomicreliefmuchthanks.blogspot.com/

3:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why exactly would she want to lie about being the writer of that Lloyd Grove email? Why would she want to invent this story at all? I know you all are incredibly desperate to debunk her to the point you have to create blog after blog attacking her and making yourselves look like the gulliable fools you are in the process but really your conspiracy theories are growing rather tiresome and ever more shrill as you can't face facts and reality. Grow up, get a life, face the facts and realize he's not what you think he is, never has been, and never will be.

5:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people wouldn't be so desperate in trying to debunk her if you didn't believe she was telling the truth. I'm sure she's getting the biggest laugh of all out of your idiotic sites devoted to her. And all you are doing in the meantime is drawing yet more attention to her blog. Seen her hit counter lately?

5:29 AM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

Since you asked...


At worst for Keith, in my opinion is that he has had an encounter with a groupie with delusions of gradeur. Karma had to know that Olbermann meant nothing meaninful for their relationship with he bartered access for revealing photos. And since I've never been under the delusion that Olbermann is a sensitive, kind, or moral individual, I'm not surprised that he'd use groupies for sex. (However,even I never guessed that Keith would call a female a dirty name. I'm not as naive as Karma...but I've never had the misfortune to be around men who would refer to a woman that way.)

At best for Olbermann, it's a lie, and it certainly could be. Even if Karma and keith were email pals, it could have been a purely cordial relationship of sniping at Keith's colleagues and political foes...

At next best, Keith came to want something meanful with Karma, despite how the relationship started, but ran like hell after he met her. And since her coyness, rage, and self-pity we've all seen...who could blame him.

Anyway the worst..isn't so bad for Keith in my book. Anyone with a brain knows he's a jerk. And the best is a real possibility that Karma hasn't not done anything to dispute.

But I disagree with Rat. The real comical and interesting thing about this entire episode is the acrimony it's caused among Olbermann's female fans. Was he your Heathcliff? :D

8:59 AM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

I want to add that Karma and Marisa McNee of the QT girls...could very well be the same person.

Both have the curious trait of feeling like they should be able to do or say anything but must themselves be treated with kid gloves. When they are not they go into poor-little-me mode and feed upon the sympathy and outrage of friends that they have worked so hard to engender.

It's very interesting that both these characters share this particular trait.

9:02 AM  
Anonymous You're Barking up the Wrong Tree said...

Karma has stated on something like 3 different occasions that the ONLY online KO community she was a part of was DemocraticUnderground.com. So why exactly the continued accusations of members from other groups and no mention, whatsoever, anywhere else about this possibility? Or are all you just scared so shitless that this is true you'd rather not discuss it and would just rather point fingers at another group to get the heat off of yourselves?

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then it's very interesting that the DU has a poll where most members deem Karma as a deeply disturbed woman.

With friends like these....

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think they've engaged in a deep cover-up to accuse others of what they know one of their own is guilty of. And if she really did have this affair with him, they're really offering her comfort and support aren't they?

4:04 PM  
Anonymous Cecelia said...

That was a mean remark and I regret saying it.

I wouldn't know either of these women from Adam and don't my butt from a hole in the ground.

I think I need a break from the internet. I'm getting snarky and idiotic

Sorry.

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