Saturday, July 15, 2006

Oh! This explains EVERYTHING!

Karmabites1 wasn't carrying on with Olbermann. She just somehow mananged to confuse a 6'3 1/2" American with caterpillar eyebrows with a petite, somewhat feminine Japanese man.

54 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know, Raton. Sounds more to me like KO has just decided to take his cue for treating his female fans from Chinese celebrities! LOL!

9:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the more she writes ....

she sent the pics when he stopped paying attention to her.

she sent "special pics" when he was mad.

as you recall it took her a long time to ever mention the special pics.

i'm really afraid to ask -- she take the nuddie pics herself of herself? sounds like a lot of skill. or someone craving for attention.

then the deal was -- hotel room.

what did she think he wanted besides sex? And only sex!

plus she claimed she never spoke to him on the phone.

I think she was in love with the idea that he had paid attention to her & he was somewhat famous & he was going to solve all of her problems!

little did she know that KO has a few issues himself!

9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't even kid yourself that far... It's all a lie. Every word of it. And losing more believers by the day.

10:38 AM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

An issue I have about Karma being "broken hearted" is this: You do not have a promising relationship if it is based on some e-mails and dirty pictures of yourself. Maybe I live in a small world, but I don't think that's what I relationship is based on. She's said that when she didn't hear from him for six weeks (I believe it was six weeks), she started sending "sexy" photos of herself. To me, that's saying, "Look what I've got, you want it?"

Another issue: there was an Olbermann business card on E-Bay a couple weeks ago. On the back was a sticker that had Olbermann's phone numbers on it (in pink lettering, no less). Shortly after someone questioned whether or not the info was marked out (as it was in the e-bay photo), the item was pulled (the seller said it was not blocked out on the real card). Many people have assumed that was Karma trying to sell that card (she was the one trying to auction off a tie supposedly belonging to Olbermann -- that auction was pulled too). Seems kind of creepy to auction off this kind of stuff. (One thing about the business card: the photo on the one being sold does not match the business card of his I saw last year. Maybe he has a variety of cards, but it's just something else that makes me wonder.)

Anon 11:33 said, "i'm really afraid to ask -- she take the nuddie pics herself of herself? sounds like a lot of skill. or someone craving for attention."

I was thinking along the same lines. How flexible would you need to be to do this? Extra long arms, perhaps? I suppose she could have used a tripod and timer, but that just makes me laugh.

The whole Philly issue makes me scratch my head. Let's see, dead relative was somewhere, baseball game in Philly, dead relative in Philly, never left NY? Alright, maybe he took in a NY ballgame with a relative who was dead on their feet and they split a Philly Cheesesteak?

When writing fiction or non-fiction, you need to get your facts straight. I'm not sure what bothers me most: lies that she can't keep straight, or truth that she can't keep straight.

1:50 PM  
Anonymous carat said...

I amuse myself with some parallels:

1. Adult woman wants to be seen as a siren, but treated as an innocent girl wronged.

2. Siren flashes some skin at well-known fellow to pique his interest.

3. Messages are exchanged and saved by siren.

4. Siren acquires a special garment that proves her relationship with fellow.

5.Siren wants others to know about her relationship with fellow, so she enlists the help of a fixture in The Media with the initials LG.

6. LG spreads the gossip, and voila, scandal.

Okay. Now are we talking about Karmabites1, naughty photos, Olbermann, emails, a tie and Lloyd Grove, or is it Monica Lewinsky, a thong, POTUS, voicemails, a blue Gap dress and Lucianne Goldberg?

Of course it's not a conspiracy. But that's some damn fine coinkydinks.

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Of course it's not a conspiracy. But that's some damn fine coinkydinks."

I had never connected the two stories up (blocking Clinton from my mind, I suppose). Good post.

2:50 PM  
Anonymous who cares, they're all the same right? said...

I don't know, Raton. Sounds more to me like KO has just decided to take his cue for treating his female fans from Chinese celebrities! LOL!

Sorry, but I have to correct this. Gackt is Japanese, not Chinese. This is even mentioned in the original post.

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

In response to a question about the a special gift she bought for Olbermann posted on her site, Karma said (at 12:18):

Sure, it was a somewhat rare baseball card from my country of origin.

Then at 1:21 she said about the card:

I never got the chance to give it to him. I was saving it for the last night I was there.

Then at 5:41, she said:

The card belonged to my grandfather, it's very old.

Then at 7:19, she said:

I sent him a Roberto Clemente card. And he did thank me for it.

Then at 7:31, in response to a question asking how much she paid for it, she said:

It was about $150.00

Okay, did she buy a card or was it her grandfather's? Did she give it to him or did she not?

5:20 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Caroline, if I was following it correctly I think she was saying that she sent the $150 Clemente card to him as a gift, and she had another card that belonged to her grandfather that she was going to give to him at the end of her trip.

5:27 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

Oh, okay. It's been hard to follow. Thanks!

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EVERYTHING about this chick is hard to follow.

Anyway, I found the parallels to her and Monica Lewinsky very interesting. Does this make "Jackie" her Linda Tripp? LOL!!

6:33 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

EVERYTHING about this chick is hard to follow.

Seriously. It reminds me of how telephone company bills are so complicated. I've always thought they did that so that you wouldn't look too closely and realize that they're overbilling you. And if you do realize it, it's such a pain in the ass to figure out where the problem lies that you just give up.

And I also found the Monica Lewinsky parallels very interesting, but I wouldn't give karma that much credit.

6:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, forgive me if I'm screwed up here (possible given all the deletions due to "hacking") but in Karma Version 1.0, she said that after the email about the relative dying in Philly, she never heard from him again until he emailed her not to email him again & that she was a poor, innocent young woman left to fend for herself for 6 days on the wild streets of Manhattan.

And yet, today, she says this in response to someone who called her on her inconsistencies:

KarmaBites1 said...
"So...did you spend 6 days by yourself in NYC, waiting for him to respond, before you got the message he never wanted to see you again? I thought yo went home earlier. Why didn't you leave sooner...as soon as you realized he was giving you the brush off?"

I left NYC Tuesday late afternoon. When he finally emailed me back, it was Wednesday afternoon, I was already home by then. Two days later he told me never to write to him again. Two days later was when he told me never to write to him again.

I was just trying to shorten the story when I wrote that.

10:25 PM

Trying to cover her lies is more like it. I think Karma deserves a PhD (piled higher & deeper) in BS.

8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And here's Anon's entire comment:
Anonymous said...
KB answered:

"How long after you spent the night together did he tell you not to contact him again?"

"Six days."

But, Karma, here's what you wrote in a previous post:

"You're in a big city by yourself, he won't answer his calls or emails. You're wandering the streets crying your eyes out. When you finally get him to email you, he tells you to never contact him again.

You decide to leave NYC earlier, you have to pay extra to get an earlier flight."

So...did you spend 6 days by yourself in NYC, waiting for him to respond, before you got the message he never wanted to see you again? I thought yo went home earlier. Why didn't you leave sooner...as soon as you realized he was giving you the brush off?

10:14 PM

8:50 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

I think I know four year olds who could spin a better tale than Karma.

I do agree, Raton, that her blog is like a phone bill. Except most people just pay it without checking it over. Thanks to your blog, people are able to come together and figure out some things.

9:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Raton, thanks for this blog...where people who actually can still think can calmly and rationally examine the situation and realize that things just don't add up.

The only people who are still rapt with attention listening to Karma as if she were some kind of Scheherazade are the OlbermannWatch people...and they believe every word she says only because they have a political agenda to push and bringing about the demise of Keith Olbermann as a media force is part of what they feel they have to do in order to carry out the agenda. This whole scam plays into their deepest desire that Olbermann be exposed as some kind of moral scuzzball so that he loses all credibility as a media personality.

If they had any brains, though, they'd realize that not a thing Karma has said has made a lick of sense.

9:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then why are you all reading it so obsessively day after day after day? If you stop reading it and she loses her audience, I think she'll stop. I don't know which is more pathetic, that you people spend your time obsessing over it or that she spends her time striking out in such a childish manner at him when common sense should have told her there were red flags all over the place here.

6:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:10 asks "Then why are you all reading it so obsessively day after day after day?"

Because it's important to know what kind of crap and bullshit are being spewed, that's why.

"If you stop reading it and she loses her audience, I think she'll stop."

Nonsense. She won't stop until her believers give up believing in her, and that may not happen for a while yet, unless they start allowing their common sense to override their wishful thinking.

"I don't know which is more pathetic, that you people spend your time obsessing over it or that she spends her time striking out in such a childish manner at him when common sense should have told her there were red flags all over the place here."

Well, I don't know which is more pathetic either--we people spending our time obsessing over it, or you spending your time obsessing over coming here to chide people for spending their time obsessing over it.

6:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all -- this is all rumor. Maybe all of this happened, none of this happened or pieces of this happened!

Regardless.... and she keeps holding "court" ...

i think some of her believers are backing off. Once they realized the "special projects" were nude pics of herself. she must have real long arms.

i think too they realized that she was in on the game too -- in many cases ... she "led" him.

she never ever spoke to him .....on the phone which is very weird.

but one of the final things -- she admits that she knew "sex" was involved. so she was dumb enough to give in within an hour of seeing him. So he got what he wanted and ran.

But I think she is crossing a line by saying a few things that he said & talking about his family.

8:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She made the mistake of spinning her tale into a direction in which she no longer sounds like a sympathetic character--a poor innocent fan who naively thought she was getting herself into a Relationship--and taking it in a direction in which she comes off as a stalking, predatorial fan looking to fuck a star, then getting all sulky when the star allegedly fucked her once and then didn't want to come back for seconds.

That was a fatal mistake.

Better that she should have stuck to the story that she was utterly naive about it all, that she only agreed to meet him because she was hoping for a Relationship and that "giving it up" to him was only an attempt to cement that Relationship...and that under THAT delusion was she abandoned and heartbroken.

The way she's cast it, the best scenario she can come up with for herself is that she's just as much a user as he is. Which wasn't how she wanted to make it look. She wanted to cast herself as the complete innocent and him as the complete cad. But the way she's got it now, she's actually building sympathy for him, as the poor put-upon celebrity whose wealth and fame (such as it is) make him a target for desperate female goofballs attempting to either corner him into a relationship or scam him for sex, money or both.

Maybe this still makes her an appealing figure to the OlbermannWatch gang (they would dearly love for him to have his own Andrea Mackris...after all, they think she was a scammer too), and maybe her secret "galpals" think that all her "psychoanalysis" of him rings true...but all it really is, is an attempt to throw people off the scent of the mistake she's made in drawing a picture of herself as a sexual user and, perhaps, a liar to begin with (gives too many "details"--so many, in fact, that she can't keep her stories straight).

And yes: when she talks about his family...when she helps the OlbermannWatchers, for example, along in their beliefs that his mother is insane and therefore he inherited her "insanity"...she is definitely crossing the line.

Then again, you know what they say: If you can't get attention from a man any other way on earth, what's your last resort?

Insult his mother.

9:45 AM  
Blogger Hawaii said...

I don't know, for some reason I believe Karma is telling the complete truth. I think maybe it is because she comes off as not looking that great herself. If she were going to make something up she would have made herself look more wronged than this. Instead she comes off as being incredibly naive and admits to doing things that she knew better about. She just doesn't make herself look good at all, and people seldom make themselves look that bad in a lie.

I also believe her because almost every woman has had at least one bad experience like this. I find it amazing that people on one side act like this is the most dasterdly thing that ever happened (kill him! He has defiled a woman!)and on the other side act like it could NEVER happen (No man does that sort of thing! Certainly not Keith Olbermann!).

It seems to me that she did something stupid and he did something mean. Is that really so unheard of?

What I would like to see happen is that people who don't beieve her just stop visiting her blog. Those who do go over and offer a bit of support so she feels better and also feels like she got back at him a bit, and then everyone can leave it at that.

Thankfully the "fan" warfare has ceased anyway. That was the most disgusting part of this whole thing IMHO.

11:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hawaii, if you think Karma is telling the complete truth, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to show you. Interested?

Karma is really tripping over her story now because she's told lie after lie after lie & those are catching up to her. Remember at first she claimed they had a "relationship?" Then it was not a "relationship" but an email correspondence lasting a year & a half because she was "protecting" him? (Check the dates in the OW archives for a big clue.) She did "special projects" for him, remember that? Only he didn't ask her to do these "special projects," she just started sending "intimate" pics of herself when she felt he was "ignoring" her. So much for Karma being an innocent young woman.

Her trip to NYC initially was for 6 days, most of which, as someone documented above, were spent wandering the streets of Manhattan crying her eyes out. It is a testament to the cold-heartedness of Manhattanites that no one gave her a free ride to Bellevue. Oh, but wait! She DIDN'T stay in Manhattan for 6 days, she actually left Wednesday. No wait, she left Tuesday. "I just wanted to shorten the story" was the uncreative response to that particular inquery. Scratch off "spent 6 days alone in a big city poor dear" from your score card.

And the gift(s)? Initially it was one special gift she had planned for their last night together. Then it was 2 special gifts, one which she DID give him ($150 Roberto Clemente--okay, remember the part about how it was so hard for her to put together the $ for a plane ticket to NYC? Where did the $150 for a baseball card come from? Santa?)

Remember her claims that she only heard from him once after the fling & that was to tell her not to contact him again? Well, Hawaii, that part of the story got changed too because she now says he emailed her on Wednesday & again 2 days later when he cut her off.

Remember how she got all hacked off that he went to a Phillies game (she knows this for sure because her "friend" saw him there), she confronted him about it, he lied (she says), & then we have the infamous "don't contact me again" email. NOW she's saying she thinks he didn't leave NYC that weekend at all. Huh?

She says now she thinks he intended to dump her all along. Really? Since when do guys who intend to dump you give you their direct contact information? It's been a while for me, but isn't the line "I'll call you in the morning"?

I could go on because the inconsistencies are really piling up now. If she were telling the truth the entire time, the story wouldn't be straying so far from the initial parameters she set.

11:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

new thought ...

maybe who ever pays Robert Cox at OW is paying karma!

Just a thought!

the other thing odd about karma -- she went directly to Lloyd Groves (sp) -- i find that odd.

if she was that naive ..... how did she know that?

i smell a rat! LOL. LOL.

2:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

something about the sequence of events has been bothering me and I went back to some archives to check dates.
June 12 - KO attends Gore's party with "Katy" in tow.
June 13 - Jossip's first column about the party.
June 14 - Jossip's second column about Katy's identity.
June 15 - LG publishes KO's potty-mouth emails, including the one about RC that KB1 claims to have originated.

Jealous rage or coincidence? It seems like a pretty quick response, but the LG column could have been all ready, just waiting for the go-ahead from KB1. How many days later did KB1's blog appear?

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Sweet Jesus you people are stupid said...

"i think some of her believers are backing off. Once they realized the "special projects" were nude pics of herself. she must have real long arms."


How fucking stupid are you people? Have you never heard of a camera with a timer? Jesus Christ, people, it is NOT difficult to take nude photos of yourself, set the timer get in position and wait for a click. See, this is why I'm so skeptical of the ridiculous analysis that goes on here. I mean good lord, is that really the depth of your analysis that someone taking nude photos of themselves sends you into super slueth mode becuase it seriously didn't occur to any of you idiots that she could have a camera with a timer on it?

4:08 PM  
Anonymous over stating the obvious said...

of course many digital cameras have timers. that was so obvious, that until you got your undies in a bunch, it hardly merited a reply. cool your jets, jesus. reason prevails.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

I did mention timers in my post:

"I was thinking along the same lines. How flexible would you need to be to do this? Extra long arms, perhaps? I suppose she could have used a tripod and timer, but that just makes me laugh."

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 6:13

Amen.

Tell Jesus to take a lap around the church's parking lot. Its Sunday.

Sounds like Jesus has some experience ....

of course there is a timer ..... but that isn't the point!

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indeed, the use of a timer is NOT the point. What is more to the point is that Karma's timing is off regarding her whole trip and everything she says about it.

It is naive to believe someone just because she doesn't make herself "come off looking that great." People can lie and deliberately say things about themselves that don't make them look that great in order to add that little touch of verisimilitude. Of course, in Karma's case, I think she went overboard.

It's also naive to believe her simply because "almost every woman has had at least one bad experience like this." Really? You mean, almost every woman has been screwed and dumped by a celebrity? Not in my world! Yes, a lot of men have dumped a lot of women after bedding them once, but that doesn't mean this man did it to this woman, and there is no reason to believe it without better proof.

No, it's not "the most dasterdly thing that ever happened," but don't you think it's downright nasty to accuse anyone of doing anything he didn't do? And who is saying "No man does that sort of thing!" I'm certainly not. But it still doesn't mean THIS man did. Why assume he did with so little to persuade us? Isn't that being unfair to him? It's possible to not think him a saint, yet still not believe him guilty of this. No matter what anyone says.

People do stupid and mean things all the time. That's not the point. The point is, did THIS person do something mean to THIS "stupid" person?

Ask yourself: How would you like to be accused of doing something you didn't do? On the Internet?

Do you really think that people should just ignore it when someone tries to smear someone else? That if they can't say anything good and positive about the smear attempt, they shouldn't say anything at all? Jeez.

And the "fan" warfare was disgusting, but there was very good reason for it.

5:10 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

Anon 7:10: Great post. I agree with you.

I don't see how anyone could believe Karma based on her "proof." There hasn't been any that I've seen as of today.

It's hard for me to feel one iota sorry for someone who actively pursues someone (as she said, when he didn't write to her, she sent dirty pictures), offers up sex (c'mon, she wasn't advertising knitting), and when he takes her up on it ALLEGEDLY, she's pissed off. Each time she's been asked if he made any promises to her, she doesn't respond or says no. Don't you think that if Olbermann HAD made specific promises to her (Oh, Karma darling, I wish for you to live in my kingdom with me and share a tuna steak...) she'd be ripping him to shreds for not living up to his promises?

By not portraying herself in the best light (which I don't agree with, I don't see my of a "my fault" mentality there), she probably thinks that she will find more sympathy (Oh, the poor girl, she was so naive). Sorry, but she said she's in her very early 30's. Hasn't she reached an passed the age where one takes responsibility for one's own actions?

Either way, true story or not, she doesn't seem like a very responsible person.

5:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you 5:56.

I have been wondering about this, completely intending to stay a lurker, but that is just too strange. KB hands off to LG the Rita email BEFORE the Memorial Day weekend when she went to NYC?

So then how can they be construed as some kind of payback if the email was turned over before the alleged incident? Maybe I am missing part of the timeline here.

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

now she's saying her family knows about most of it except for the pictures.... go read her blog.

that should be a great discussion over Sunday dinner in the near future.

I kind of wonder if she has done this sort of thing before .... not the blogging but not using great judgement in general.

6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have been wondering about this, completely intending to stay a lurker, but that is just too strange. KB hands off to LG the Rita email BEFORE the Memorial Day weekend when she went to NYC?

So then how can they be construed as some kind of payback if the email was turned over before the alleged incident? Maybe I am missing part of the timeline here."

Um, Memorial Day weekend was the very last weekend in MAY, but the timeline constructed above the Grove emails were published mid-June...Hello? I'm going to venture to guess you may be missing part of the time line, like maybe the part where the last weekend of May happens before June 15th?

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

LOL, now Karma's an expert of Olbermann's career:

A poster asked:
"Is it true the main character on the show "Sports Night" was loosely based on him?"

Karma said:
"Yes, it was based on his time on Sports Center but he said the show paralleled what was going on in his real life at the moment. He told Aaron Sorkin he was freaking out over the similarities."

Ooh, inside information....unless you could the dozens of times he's said it, not even counting this exchange on May 7, 2004 on Countdown:

OLBERMANN: When networks in the modern sense, the collective thing, the groupthink networks go outside the box and create thoughtful sitcoms or quirky ones, the thing on Fox, “Arrested Development” or “SportsNight.” Why do they not connect with an audience?

O‘NEIL: “SportsNight,” let‘s deal with that for a second. That was probably one of the great tragedies in TV history. In 1999, that show was named “Best Comedy Series” by “the Television Critics of America. You can‘t get any better than that. And what did ABC do? They pulled the plug after two years.

OLBERMANN: You know why that didn‘t work?

O‘NEIL: Why?

OLBERMANN: Because it was about me. Who would watch a sitcom about me?

O‘NEIL: I know, and I‘ve always meant to ask you, Keith, since it was based on your ESPN days, why did they choose a comedy format, huh?

OLBERMANN: Well, because life was just one big laugh after another at ESPN. Obviously not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4945202/

When you don't have facts, rely on the Internet, right, Karma?

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But...why would someone give something to someone with the intention of getting "payback" before any "wrong" was done to them in the first place?

The timetable of mid-May for turning over this alleged email makes no sense if we're to assume the "meeting" happened at the end of May, yet the "publication of the email" didn't happen until mid-June.

It makes no sense. It would be like hiring a hit man to kill your husband a month from now, because you're going away in two weeks and if he cheats on you while you're gone, you want to make sure someone is all ready to kill him for it two weeks later.

"Look, here's the gun now, but I don't want you to use it unless my husband cheats on me when I go on my trip in two weeks...now, if he does, wait another two weeks, and then shoot him."

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Caroline, just saw your latest post. Good one. Maybe Karmabites1 should change her name to "Googlebites1"...seems like all she needs to do to answer any question tossed at her by her crowd of fawning admirers is turn to her trusty search engine...

Maybe that's the real reason she refuses to answer any questions about what he's like in bed. After all, she can't Google that information.

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 8:42

Thank you, yes I was a month off on the timeline. It has been hard keeping this narrative straight, esp since I've not read all of the posts here or there yet. I'll go back to lurking til I do!

8:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In posting the timeline comments about the dates in June, I was less concerned about the date when LG would have received the RC emails, than the fact that the publication of it followed immediately after KO was seen in public with a woman who attracted so much attention. Several scenarios seem possible:
1. The LG column would have appeared June 15 regardless of what KO had done earlier that week.
2. The LG column would have been released any time KB1 gave permission to use "her" RC email.
3. The LG column would have been published eventually with the potty-mouth emails, but without the RC email, if KB1 withdrew her permission. She has been known to change her mind.

Questions that I wonder more about as time passes include: How did she find her way to LG in the first place? When (assuming it's all true) did she pass the RC email to him? And what determined the release date of it once it was vetted with MSNBC. How long would that vetting process take?

10:55 PM  
Anonymous Carolinem said...

She said something along the lines of knowing that LG didn't like Olbermann, or Olbermann didn't like LG. Can't remember the direct quote, will look for tomorrow.

11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In other words, she tried to use Lloyd Grove's known dislike of Olbermann against Olbermann...by feeding LG an email KO sent her some time in the past in which he was trusting enough of her to be brutally honest about Rita Cosby and believe his words would never be used against him...but that only happened after he was seen in public with a young blonde whom we do not even know for sure that he was "dating"? But the fact that he was reported to be with her in public was enough to light her fire, and she was off to the races...insanely jealous and ready to do whatever it took to bring him down?

4:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And what determined the release date of it once it was vetted with MSNBC. How long would that vetting process take?"

Reporters generall take one or two days to write a story, and the vetting process for an email like that would take at most 2 hours. All you would have to do was go in to Olbermann's email and "search" for email coming from that particular email address (which takes about ten minutes tops), if that doesn't work you just search on the files that are backed up from the server. not that hard really.

My guess is it took MSNBC all of five minutes to verify the email. All thay had to do was ask Olbermann. Knowing that he would eventually get caught anyway, I'm sure he told them the email was real.

4:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey timeline people --

just thought of something. the tie. when did she put on e-bay?

maybe somebody can wade thru OW.

does e-bay keep records of the posting & yanking?

I heard about the tie -- i think on OW. I went to E-bay. saw the tie & said huh. i remember it had a FL address .......

At the time I had no clue about the scandal.

mmmmmm.

She's hold court again this am ......... LOL.

8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fyi:

from OW.

(old news but it does give dates...)

Interesting KO story may be breaking on a little blogspot site that just started this weekend. It supposedly is by the woman/girl, whatever that put one of his ties up on EBAY. Now she wants revenge, and is apparently threatening to reveal some emails. Hmm.

Posted by: Scott at June 26, 2006 07:25 PM

8:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IIRC, the tie went up just prior to the Lloyd Grove email being released, a week or so prior maybe.

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And the 'fan' warfare was disgusting, but there was very good reason for it."

Which was? Was it accomplished?

10:48 AM  
Anonymous carat said...

I just checked. The tie was put up 6/6, taken down, relisted 6/7 and taken down.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget about his "business card," also put up for sale on Ebay & then taken down soon after because it was an obvious fraud. I can't recall the exact date, but it was around the time of the tie sale. Both sellers were from South Florida. The seller of the tie "hid" their profile but you could still see where they were from.

4:14 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

To me, Karma is disgusting.

Her latest entry:
"Hypothetical question...

If I decide to let LG publish the emails, what kind of damage do you think it will cause to his career?

There is proof he asked for more revealing pictures, that he invited me to go see him many times, that he suggested we meet in private, the dying aunt excuse, plus some naughty emails.


I know it wouldn't get him fired (that's not what I want anyway). Do you think he'd learn his lesson and not do this to anyone else? Or do you think he's already learned a great big lesson from all of this?

I'm interested to know what you think."

If this is the type of "fans" people have to deal with, Olbermann, etc. deserve a HUGE pay raise and free security.

She tries to make people pity her -- not feel sorry for her, but actual PITY -- and then she comes across as a delusional fanatic. What's next? I can hear it now:

"Pity poor, pitiful me. I was used and abused by a horrible man. It doesn't matter that I pursued him. It doesn't matter that I sent him dirty photos of myself. I'm completely innocent. INNOCENT, I say. How dare anyone question my story! All you doubters are rude, vile pigs! Pigs, indeed you are! I'm so hurt, confused, scared that I've turned into a vindictive idiot. Boo hoo."

IMO, Karma needs better writers if she thinks her story is believable.

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 6:25

quite a bit of drama over there. but she's losing most of the diehards that defend her. I think the nudie pixs did that. Or just the fact she keeps dragging it out!

but she spent a lot of time on the blog today like she's some famous blog host! LOL.

but as the day went on -- the die hards really wrote good e-mails about giving it up! Several were well written -- they didn't defend Keith but told her to get a life. I don't think she took well to any of that.

then she started to throw the word "suicide" around and the diehards started telling her that many companies have services. Somebody mentioned that some churches offer services, somebody sent her a list of FL places, etc.

Then the blog came to a halt about 5:20. But I noticed it up and running now.

So -- new topic tomorrow?

Do you think somebody is helping her?

4:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Do you think somebody is helping her?"

You mean prompting her?

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Caroline said: "To me, Karma is disgusting."

You said it, sister!

How disgusting that she actually invited her "fan club" to speculate on how much damage she could do to KO's career while at the same time claiming innocently that she doesn't WANT to do him any harm! (Yeah, sure!)

She says "There is proof he asked for more revealing pictures, that he invited me to go see him many times, that he suggested we meet in private, the dying aunt excuse, plus some naughty emails." Bullshit. She has no proof at all of ANYTHING. She SAYS she does and just expects people to believe it.

Damn straight that if this is a "fan," I'd hate to meet an Olbermann hater.

She's become a pity/admiration junkie. I think that for all her "fan club" wants to support her, they're becoming very frustrated with her that she's not "dropping her bomb" (because she doesn't have one to drop, but they don't know that) and ruining KO's career as they believe she has the power to do--or at the very least ruining his moral authority. They want SOOOOO bad for that to happen, and they have believed for SOOOOO long that she had the power to make it happen...but now the days have turned into weeks and she has refused to either shit or get off the pot...and they're becoming impatient and annoyed.

Of course, she wants to stretch out her 15 minutes of fame as far as possible...despite the fact that she has nothing...so finally some of them started telling her to give it up and get help and move on. When she made the excuse that she couldn't "afford" to get help--which is patently untrue, there's all kinds of help out there available to people--and they didn't buy it, she did EXACTLY what I predicted days ago she would eventually do: play the suicide card.
Bingo--instant regrabbing of their attention and reestablishment of their sympathy.

I don't know whether anyone is helping her do this, but she sure is getting a lot of emotional support from people who want and need to believe the absolute worst about KO--whether or not there is any proof of any of it. (I have to admit, the one who posted they were sick of reading "10,000 word essays" about how wonderful KO is made me laugh. Oh really? Why are you reading them? And where are you finding these essays? LOL!)

Anyway, the natives were getting restless there for a while but now that she's threatened suicide, they're all back in the fold...for NOW. Trouble is, threatening suicide is something you can only do once in this context. Next time she does it, she may find people offering to provide the razor blades.

5:56 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

I started to write this earlier, but held off, wanting to think about the "is she getting help" question a little longer.

The answer depends on the meaning of "help." Help in trying to:

...damage Olbermann's career in some fashion?

...damage MSNBC (how can you support a company that allows someone like HIM to stay)?

...assist a story with no merit?

...push an agenda?

Simple answer: I don't know.

What I do know is that there are people who find glee and warmth in trashing other people.

I know that there are people who would love to see Olbermann "suffer" in some way, whatever the truth is.

I believe that credibility is something that once gone, is not easy to recover.

I also believe that there are people who would rather run with a grain of fiction than to ever give the benefit of the doubt to someone.

I will say that someone is enjoying the attention from the past couple weeks.

Anon 7:56 makes a very valid point:

"the natives were getting restless there for a while but now that she's threatened suicide, they're all back in the fold...for NOW. Trouble is, threatening suicide is something you can only do once in this context. Next time she does it, she may find people offering to provide the razor blades."

Say "suicide" once and maybe people will believe you. Any more, and you've become the person who cried wolf one too many times.

You know, there are too many people in depressed states, people who may see no end to the pain and distress in their lives. I'll venture a guess and say that most of these aren't women who may or may not have bedded a news anchor.

People have asked why Olbermann hasn't "defended," and/or "denied" the allegations. Why would he? Really, isn't Karma doing a good job at negating her claims as is? Every day, rumors and innuendo ricochet around the Internet. If someone doesn't dignify the accusations by addressing them, does that automatically mean the rumors are true.

As I said, it's hard to regain credibility once it's gone: if no other thing convinced me of this story being bogus, it was today's "Hypothetical question/If I decide to let LG publish the emails, what kind of damage do you think it will cause to his career?" crap. Yes, that certainly sounds like a devastated woman, doesn't it? What's more important to her: teaching Olbermann a "lesson" or healing herself? I don't think it's a very smart idea for Karma to start preaching about "lessons" unless she is willing to be taught a few herself.

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She certainly doesn't seem to be willing to shoulder any culpability for her misadventure. I think when she does that, it will be a good sign that she is moving on.
Assuming any of it is real at all.

8:27 PM  
Anonymous carat said...

today's "Hypothetical question/If I decide to let LG publish the emails, what kind of damage do you think it will cause to his career?"

Let's see. An adult unmarried man may or may not have exchanged naughty emails with an adult unmarried female (so she describes herself). They may or may not have had consensual sex. Not exactly unusual, let alone actionable.

If Bill O'Reilly (a married man)can survive and flourish after being sued for sexual harrassment by one of his employees, paying an 8 figure settlement to his accuser, whose parent company provided nothing but support throughout, well, the answer to that question is "Um, duh, none."

7:31 AM  

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