Friday, July 21, 2006

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise

Karmabites1's blog has degenerated into a festival of clones claiming to have been not-quite loved and left by Olbermann. It has the stink and slime of Olbermann Watch regulars all over it. And it's basically turned into a game of one upsmanship as far who can come up with the most disgusting insults about performance and anatomy. Yet, if someone dares to question them, they are labelled assholes.

Here's a random thought that popped into my head last night - the so-called hack that karmabites1 complained about? It was probably just a case of one of the sockpuppets over there messing around with the blog without the other sockpuppets' knowledge.

And here's another thought, not so random. I've been thinking about this, really since a day or two after I started the blog. How much is this blog contributing to the situation? We want a place to speak freely, but are we inflaming the people behind karmabites1? Are we making them want to get nastier and more personal with their insults?

Even if Olbermann doesn't bother reading that trash, we know that someone from NBC has visited it and probably continues to do so. There may be employees visiting from their home computers. Surely most of them are intelligent enough to realize that it's all bullshit, but there is always a select few complete dimwits who believe crap like the poo that's being flung full force there.


Blogger Hawaii said...

I think this blog and other people's negative comments contributed a lot to Karma and others runnning with this stuff.

If Karma was lying as you belive, and no one challenged her, it would have gotten boring fast. Afterall, it's no fun if you come up with a big bad story and no one challenges you so there is no reason to gather supporters and fight it out!

On the other hand, if Karma was telling the truth, and there was no negative comments, she would have gotten some emotional comfort and a feeling of revenge, and been able to move on IMO. But this way she feels challenged and so fights to prove it is true. Same with attacking other commenters. They need to defend their opinions and the more you challenge them on Karmas blog the more angry they get. Since they don't know you, they take it out on the target they do 'know', Olbermann.

You have the right to do this if you want. It serves a purpose too in letting people talk about it (like me) outside of Karma's Blog. But if your goal is to make this all go away then this isn't helping that.

7:06 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Hawaii, Thanks for your honest input. This really is something I've been thinking about a lot.

My goal hasn't been necessarily to make it go away. But I do wonder if it would have petered out on its own.

And I guess I underestimated how awful the commenters over there could be. I just don't understand why people waste their energy on someone they supposedly hate.

7:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally disagree with Hawaii. I think its a free country and it adds some balance & comic relief.

Funny how Hawaii stops in if she's so against it!

Karma could be telling the truth but I don't think what she did was very fair. She could write an article to Cosmo or sell her story to a smutty newspaper.

But she has this sense that she has the "right" to tell KO what to do! Maybe he has a one night stand every weekend. But is it our business? No.

Maybe Karma is unattractive or has a fat butt but would she like people discussing her like she has helped other people do to KO & his Mom. I would say she wouldn't like it one bit. Nobody would.

7:24 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

I have never been a fan of the "if you don't like it, don't read it" argument. And I didn't get the sense that hawaii was against this blog. She seems pretty level headed and rational, like she just wants to know what is going on.

7:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still don't know quite what to beleive, but as someone who is new to the story, this blog has provided some much needed context/history. I wonder how many others are reading this (and don't post) feel the same.

Right now, I think that the only reason I keep watching is because I am amazed to see some part of groupie culture (not here) up close and personal. If I even thought of indulging in that behavior, all of the southern ladies who raised me would rise up em masse to make sure I was permanently removed from any possibility of embarrassing them like that again.

8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find reading Karma's blog considerably more entertaining than this one, in all honesty.

Given that you don't claim to have had any *personal* experience with Mr. Olbermann, I'm not sure what your point is: that Karma is nuts (undoubtedly)? That she's lying (possibly, but I suspect not)? If you don't mind my asking: why do you care? Do you believe Mr. Olbermann to be incapable of defending himself, if need be? I was actually a big, big fan of Keith and Countdown, but just can't watch anymore -- the credibility ship has sailed. Say what you want, but I don't remember tripping across these rumors about Peter Jennings. Or Walter Cronkite. Or Edward R. Murrow.

If Karma is lying, I doubt it will be the first (or last) time Keith has to deal with phony allegations -- he's a public figure, and this sort of thing goes with the territory (particularly if one sleeps with fans). If there is truth to what's being posted there, than it sounds like turnabout's fair play.

Bottom line? I believe what many (if not all) of these women are saying. This isn't to say that I respect the way they behaved -- but the discussion is entertaining, often funny, and always interesting. I can't say the same about this one, which is why I visit so infrequently.

Anyway, best of luck to you.

10:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 12:05.

I believe that Jennings had a couple of wives. I think Cronkite just remarried (maybe)? I think Cronkite lost his first wife a few years ago.

No clue about Murrow.

But nobody is perfect.

10:13 AM  
Blogger Hawaii said...

Rat - It is just like you said. I don't dislike this blog at all and never said that. I actually appreciate a place to come and give my opinion other than Karma's blog. I haven't posted there at all because I am not sure still what to make of everything.

I belive karma, as you know. But I don't like what is going on over there. Originally I thought her idea was fine. She was pissed off about something, and was blogging about it, just like 10 million other people. All well and good. But then the fan warfare crap materialized (God help those people because otherwise they are beyond hope) followed by the anti-Olbermanns doing battle with the Keith worshippers (He's a psychopath! No, he's a God!), and now we have people psychoanalyising his relationship with his mother and making fun of his body parts. I mean really, where is the sanity in all this? Even worse, where is the humanity in any of this?

So anyway, I do appreciate this blog. I can discuss whether this might be true or not and what it means to me as a viewer (at this point not much, except that all Viagra jokes now fall flat) without having to worry about Karma or really strange commenters.

I hope you do this keep this up for a while longer, though I do think that being a sockpuppet at Karma's blog and making fun of her here probably does make a nasty situation a bit worse IMHO. But I don't know if that is worth shutting down or not to you. I guess that is what you were asking, right?

10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you seen the blog "Keith Olbermann is Evil" -- it's satire on this issue at its finest.

I do not believe KB-1. She has offered absolutely no evidence that this is true. She has printed no e-mails testifying to this "relationship." Her story constantly changes. She offers teasing tidbits then embellishes on them. This would not be the MO of someone who is just trying to tell her story opened and honestly.

I don't believe the others either -- mostly because I think they're actual clones of KB-1. Their answers and style just seem too similar.

Do I think that such a thing could be possible. Perhaps...but let me see proof.

To me, KO has too much to lose (especially since he's a target of the far right) to do such risky behavior with "fans" he does not know. Just doesn't make sense. Until someone comes forward out of the anonymous fog and goes on the record with proof -- I think its just (excuse the expression) -- a big blow job.

11:02 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Anon 12:05, my point is to have a place to post my thoughts about what karmabites1 and the commenters on her blog are saying. If she or anyone else there can offer me proof that they're telling the truth, then I'll happily make a post saying I was all wrong and apologize.

I'm not here to entertain anyone. There are other blogs for that. Anon 1:02 mentioned one. The other is "For this comic relief much thanks" which I put in the links.

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If she or anyone else there can offer me proof that they're telling the truth, then I'll happily make a post saying I was all wrong and apologize."

I think the point you're missing is that these women are afraid. I agree, one needs evidence to prove what they are saying is true. However, if what KB is saying really happened, could you imagine how scary it would be to think your name might get out there and you would get picked to pieces by a powerful media machine like NBC?

You say she should just offer you proof. But, would you be willing to committ to protecting her identity as Grove has? If you can't offer that, you can't expect to get the proof you ask for.

I can imagine that it is hard to accept the idea the Olbermann would take such a risk, but I assure you he has. I could show you emails from Olbermann that would blow your mind. And no, I did not have any kind of relationship with him other than email exchanges. Nevertheless, I have emails from him in which he talks about people he's dated previously and MSNBC management just to name a few.

The idea that he would discuss such things with a perfect stranger is ludicrous. Nevertheless, he did do it...with many, many people.

Sure, all of you will claim I've provided no proof of this. What shall I do? Post them publicly? Send them to Raton (who remains anonymous by the way) with the hopes that my identity remain protected?

There is one sure way you could prove or disprove that KB gave the Rita email to Grove. Ask him. I've metioned this to you before, but no one has followed through. KB put BOTH SIDES of the email on the blog, something Grove did not publish in his column. Simply ask him if that was the email he saw from his source or not. There's no reason he can't answer that question. KB has made it public and stated publicly that she sent the email to Grove. Asking Grove to verify the KB's story is totally appropriate in this situation, he's at no risk of revealing her identity by answering the question and KB has already stated it publicly on her blog.

It's an easy question for him to answer. So ask him if you want to know the truth.

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1:55
I could show you emails from Olbermann that would blow your mind. And no, I did not have any kind of relationship with him other than email exchanges. Nevertheless, I have emails from him in which he talks about people he's dated previously and MSNBC management just to name a few.

Why don't you. Why don't you send them to Groves. If he sees a pattern of "abuse" from Olbermann maybe he'll publish them and solve all this mystery.

12:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why don't you. Why don't you send them to Groves. If he sees a pattern of "abuse" from Olbermann maybe he'll publish them and solve all this mystery."

What mystery? Grove has already provided plenty of evidence that Olbermann writes emails to fans that seem devoid of any common sense when it comes to be cautious about interactions with people he does not know.

I have nothing to offer as to the mystery regarding the relationships with women. I had no such relationship with him.

Why don't you just ask Grove if KB published the email on her blog that was the same email he received from his source. What's the matter? Afraid to hear the truth?

12:52 PM  

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