Wednesday, July 12, 2006

Thoughts

First, an apology. I disabled comments on the last post and I did not mean to. I guess when I was going back and turning off the comments on all the other posts, I clicked that one too. Someday I'll figure it all out.

And on to the reason for this post:


Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Hacked
Ok, so this site was hacked into yesterday. They deleted the link to the Rita email and changed some things around. My password wasn't changed so I was relieved about that and decided not to mention it.

Well, they've hacked into it again.

I have to get in touch with the people at Blogger so this won't happen again.

posted by KarmaBites1 at 11:15 PM


Aww, karmabites1 says her blog was hacked. I find that hard to believe, but then I find pretty much everything she's produced hard to believe. Why on earth would someone go to the trouble of hacking her blog just to delete one e-mail and change a few things around? And why did she edit her post from earlier to say that she was hacked (completely removing her earlier post promising us all the dirty details and ridiculous image of a leg in fishnet stockings) instead of just making a new post? Oh, the crazy works in mysterious ways.

I have been wondering about something. I didn't have access to the internets for several days around the Fourth, so I missed whatever details and promises were hashed out in karmabites1's blog during that time. I missed them because she deleted the whole thing, then she put it back up, but without any of the earlier posts. This was when she made her cryptic "We're even" post, then proceded to say that she was done with Olbermann and the whole situation, only to turn back around and start it all up again.

Aside - The thought has crossed my mind that it was at this time that she started using a comment service in an attempt to track IPs of the anonymous commenters - services like Halo Scan supposedly do that, but signing up causes all of your previous Blogger comments to disappear. I could just be overanalyzing or giving karmabites1 too much credit. She seems to have a habit of flip-flopping, so maybe the deletion was nothing more than a moment of impulsiveness. (On a similar topic, did you know that even if you use Anonymouse, it still shows your IP and ISP on StatCounter?)

Back to my point - from various comments here and there, it seems that karmabites1 or someone else claims that the name of the blog, For This Relief Much Thanks, comes from the words Olbermann spoke after um, arriving, shall we say. But I thought that when her blog first started up, she said that he wasn't able to seal the deal. (And how inconvenient that I can't go back and look to see if I'm recalling this correctly or not.)

45 Comments:

Anonymous Caroline said...

I don't remember if she said he couldn't "seal the deal" or not. I think I've been able to save copies of most of the crap, er, blogs she's posts, so when I have some time I'll go back and take a look.

About the "hacked" post. It seems that she left most, if not all, of the "On the Ave" comments under the new header. I've noticed that she added the "on the Ave" post yesterday, then removed it, then changed the name and reposted it.

I'm sure she probably is on a mission to collect IP addresses. Especially after she commented that she'd stopped looking at them. Uh-huh, sure.

I agree with you that no one would take the time to hack a site just to do a couple tiny "revisions." It doesn't add up, but not much does over there.

One thing that gets me is how everyone is claiming that Olbermann apologized for the supposed Karma e-mails. He apologized to a direct question about the foul language e-mails and the Cosby crack. No one seems to understand that it would be so easy to fake an e-mail using what was already released online concerning the Cosby memo. All you have to do is fake the supposed "original" e-mail that you allegedly send to him. Very simple.

People keep asking why Olbermann has been silent on this topic. Well, my feeling is that if you give enough rope to someone, they'll take care of themselves. Karma has little to no credibility. A tease here, a deleted thread there.

2:45 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Caroline, thank you for bringing up Olbermann's apologies for the emails. I haven't seen him ever apologize directly for the email mentioning Rita. The apology posted on Grove's column was in reference only to the "go kill yourself" exchanges the way I read it. The NYT article mentions both emails, but Olbermann doesn't actually acknowledge the Rita one specifically. For all we know, the person doing the interview only brought up "emails" in a vague sense and the specifics were added in the writeup.

2:55 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

Raton, you are right. The apology didn't mention Rita directly. My mistake.

3:00 PM  
Anonymous curious said...

Raton you are correct. She did at one point say he couldn't seal the deal.

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, you have no credibility and are passing out your opinions as fact when you have zero proof to back them up.

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you've never heard of people having sex more than 2x in one night? What pathetic sex lives you must have. Oh, that's right. . . you don't have sex lives, you have these stupid ass blogs to fill up your empty, pathetic, sexless lives to work out all those nasty "frustrations" of yours. Maybe it is you who need some "relief"? You know they make a variety of dildos now, I'd suggest a really fat one for some of you with really good batteries, it's pretty apparent you all could use a good fuck.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She never said he couldn't get it up, she made a post about RUSH LIMBAUGH and his viagra incident.

I've screencapped every post she's made and I've reviewed them all and what you claim you saw was never there, apparently some of you have a reading comprehension problem.

4:39 PM  
Blogger Hawaii said...

This is just totally from recall - I think it was a commenter that asked or insinuated that He couldn't "seal the deal" and not Karma. I don't think she said anything bad about that one night stand. She even said he was "sweet" and she did not seem to mind not being bought dinner. She just mostly complained about being dumped.

I don't know what all her revisions are about. I think she is just trying to control the discussion. Which is okay as it is her blog to do with what she wishes, but it does reduce her credibility. Though with all the nonsensical, immaterial and just plain mean "fan " warfare crap people are filling her blog up with (and this one sometimes) I could see that as a rational reason to block comments.I do think it really messes with credibility to delete her own posts so much though.

I am hoping that those so enraged they have to call people names just move off somewhere else and this can be a more normal conversation on whether this is likely to be true, and if so, does it matter or not to the the believability of Olbermann's newcasting.

4:43 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Anonymous 4:39, I didn't claim that she said he couldn't get it up. I distinctly remember the phrase "seal the deal". It's quite possible that that came from one of the comments.

Would you care to share your screencaps? Did you cap some of the comments? If you'd like to share, send to my email address in my profile.

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, we just learned a whole lot about SOMEONE's sex life, didn't we?

Sorry, but some of us prefer the real thing.

Anyway, thank you to Caroline and Raton for pointing out something I pointed out a long time ago and which got drowned in an ocean of stupid posts...namely, that Keith has NEVER gone on record as "apologizing" for the Rita email to the so-called "fan," but only for those in which he replied to his two taunters with foul language. Therefore, none of Karmabites' story holds water at all.

And her "friend" "Jackie," who is supposedly even now receiving frantic emails from Keith in which he expresses panic over what is currently going on, are just as phony as she is. Yeah--as if even if he WERE panicking, the first person he'd express it to now would be ANOTHER "fan" he knows only through email...I mean, come on, let's give the man credit for SOME intelligence, as much as it may pain some people to do so!

4:44 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Hawaii, I couldn't have said that better myself. I agree with everything you said there.

4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hawaii, please don't be so naive...having "a more normal conversation on whether this is likely to be true" would be like having a more normal conversation on whether or not the Holocaust really happened. It's simply not debatable. The burden of proving Karma's story is on Karma...and she has failed the test. There is no point in third parties debating it.

And karmabites started all the namecalling by going after him in the first place, seems to me.

4:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And her "friend" "Jackie," who is supposedly even now receiving frantic emails from Keith in which he expresses panic over what is currently going on, are just as phony as she is. Yeah--as if even if he WERE panicking, the first person he'd express it to now would be ANOTHER "fan" he knows only through email...I mean, come on, let's give the man credit for SOME intelligence, as much as it may pain some people to do so!"

Actually, when KO had the big fight with Kaplan at MSNBC he told me all about it in an email and even gave a pretty detailed description about how the whole experience made him feel. And he doesn't know me from a hole in the ground, and I was using an email address that was basically anonymous.

You're giving him too much credit, and I think that may be Karma's point. This man is not normal, he does strange things, things that some might even characterize as dangerous to his job. For example, like sending an email to a fan who wrote to you using an anonymous email address in which you describe in detail your thoughts about a fight you had with your boss. Karma's point isn't that she's special, quite the opposite, that KO has no boundaries and does all kinds of crazy shit that defies logic and common sense.

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

All this fluff about Olbermann continuing to e-mail viewers after he said he wouldn't stands out in my mind. This "Jackie" person says he/she received e-mails from him and posted them to show everyone what a liar Olbermann is. Um, according to what she/he posted on OlbermannWatch and Karma's blog, the date of the e-mail exchange with her was June 20. The NTY article didn't some out (and therefore, it hadn't been stated publicly) until July 10th that he wouldn't be writing back to viewers. So what if he/she really DID get mail on June 20th? He didn't negate what he said since his comments weren't published until 20 days later.

5:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, it's all such a bunch of stuff and nonsense, why bother even trying to discredit it? To paraphrase what Keith himself said about O'Reilly, they can't even LIE well anymore.

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't that the truth!

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So on the exact day that he gave that NY Times article, he suddenly decided he was never emailing fans again huh? And it had nothing to do with the Rita email or the freeper emails or any of that right? Logical thinking: look into it. It's obvious some of you are totally devoid of it. So anyone who claims they got an email from him between the time those emails broke and July 10th is lying huh? sorry but you are NOT helping your cause here at all. And you look like the ones who are lying to invent stories that were never ever posted.

And yes, I'd say fucking a fan is an indication he has highly inapropriate ideas of what borders are between himself and his fans.

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Jackie said...

I'm Jackie who posted the e-mails I received from Keith at Olbermannwatch. I was a big, big fan of his and sent him over 100 e-mails. I didn't get a reply, not once. I wrote to him worried that more e-mails were about to surface...he replied 4 times in one day.

Raton, I can send you the emails and you can post them here as long as you don't show my e-mail address.

7:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You really have to stop accusing anyone who presents evidence as lying. Is there a regular cottage industry in faking emails from Keith Olbermann out there? In trying to debunk her, you just make yourself look like what you are, utter fools living in complete and utter denial. Why is this woman such a threat to you? What is it exactly about her that you all find so threatening? But the truth is a frightening thing isn't it?

7:41 PM  
Anonymous Just A Fan said...

I'm not going to dispute the truth or lack therein of Karma's blog but I will dispute the statement that he would never reveal personal details or express emotions to "just" a fan. I had a very similar situation with him as the one described by 5:19. I'd been a fan since the show began airing in 2003 and in that time he had responded to two of the emails I'd sent him (out of four total). Earlier this year, he did a story I felt moved enough to write him about. And he replied with this rather emotional (in a good way) e-mail, which included a very personal and quite surprising story about himself. I was pretty disarmed and stunned somewhat by the whole exchange. He didn't know me. I certainly wasn't a regular emailer to him or the show by any stretch of the imagiantion. My name wasn't one he would have recognized or anything like that. And yet, he told me this personal story and shared a confidence in me, someone he doesn't even know, just a fan of his. I'm not sure why he felt he could trust me. Maybe he does have issues about what are acceptable boundaries with fans who email him or maybe he's just too trusting or lacks discretion and good common sense. Whatever the reason, I was rattled enough by his trust in me and what he'd shared with me that I remember thinking at the time, he could get into a lot of trouble doing this kind of thing. He has no idea who I might really be. And sadly, it appears now he is in some difficulty over his email habits.

8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jackie, you're a fake.

Just a fan, you come off sounding sympathetic but in the end you never really say whose side you are on. Makes me wonder.

4:06 AM  
Anonymous Just a Fan said...

Whose side am I'm on? I'm on the same side you ought to be on, and that's the truth. And I was trying to speak to what I knew to be truth about him, based upon my limited interactions with him and instead I'm being accused of being a liar and having my "loyalty" questioned? Not that I owe you any explanation of any kind, but I want her exposed but I don't want it done on lies and groundless accusations or on something approaching hysteria. I do not appreciate for one single second having my loyalty questioned nor do I appreciate seeing another poster labeled a "liar" when she's offering to send her emails to the webmistress of this blog. I thought Karma was bad but 4:06 has her beat, dismissing any and everything and any and everyone who don't share his/her versions of the "truth". I'm sorry if my account differs from what you think he's like but I thought that in sharing that it would appeal to common sense, reason and not rushing to conclusions. I see I was wrong in that belief.

4:51 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Jackie, I would be more than happy to black out your email address and publish your emails. You can forward them to me at ratonanonimo @ gmail . com.

5:38 AM  
Anonymous also a fan said...

just a fan -- I believe you about your interaction with him, because the same has happened to me.

There are people who aren't going to believe that anyone is receiving/has received e-mails from him because they have not. Obviously no one can explain what causes him to respond to one person once, consistently, or never. He's an eccentric man who does things that don't make sense to anyone other than himself.

Anyway, don't let random anonymous posters here, on Karma's blog, or anywhere else raise your hackles about your truthfulness or your loyalty. In the end, how much will this matter even a year from now, to him or anyone who has involved themselves in this? My guess is not at all.

5:41 AM  
Anonymous Just a fan said...

Thank you 5:41 but I'm a little dubious that it won't have long-term consequences though. I think it already has. I'm utterly repulsed by the behavior of some "fans" both here and elsewhere as they go on this hunt to root out anyone they think is not loyal, or anyone they suspect could possibly have had any part in all of this. I understand why they could be angry, upset, etc but I think it's very wrong to start pointing fingers without having hard evidence to back up your allegations. I guess the thought that innocent people might get caught up in such a hunt never occured to these people. Having just been accused of something I'm absolutely not guilty of, when I was only trying to contribute what I know to be true about him, I got a very small taste of that feeling and it wasn't a very good one. I do very much worry about the damage that is being done to his fan community in the long run and it deeply saddens me to see some of this ugliness being played out here and elsewhere.

7:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't doubt that something happened between the two of them, so this comment isn't about doubting the accuracy of the emails or saying that she's a liar. I'm also not passing any sort of moral judgment on either of them.

The more recent postings (and revisions and deletions) are starting to indicate some more wide-ranging mental issues. I used to think that the back and forth was only odd or somehow explainable through her own sense of confusion. Now I'm beginning to think that she may need some serious professional help. The back and forth is one thing. There's also her alternating between anger and idolizing the night they (may have) spent together. The apparent need for constant attention and the manipulation of the content of her posts (the little ‘coming soon’ updates) also spell out something being really wrong.

She made a comment some time back that stuck with me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she mention returning home and then emailing him about what he did in Phili and only then getting the response to never contact him again? This wasn't him emailing her the day after their encounter to tell her he couldn't see her, she wanting to know why, and them him cutting off all contact. This is the encounter, his email, her questions, her going back to Florida, asking more questions, and then receiving the email telling her not to contact him. I get the feeling that she’s leaving out some really important information in terms of what the content of her emails to him after that evening together were.

She seems to be in this little bubble of reality where people are egging her on to post 'the dirt' and the voices that are advising more caution are dismissed as fanatical. All and all, it's pretty sad to see her appear to slowly fall apart like this. It seems a lot like watching a car crash in a movie where you can see the accident about to happen, but the characters involved in the story can't.

I don't know anymore and I'm embarrassed that I'm still following this.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't doubt that something happened between the two of them, so this comment isn't about doubting the accuracy of the emails or saying that she's a liar. I'm also not passing any sort of moral judgment on either of them.

I get the feeling that she’s leaving out some really important information in terms of what the content of her emails to him after that evening together were.


I'm with you on these points, 11:14. There's obviously more to the story, and the bits she lets out leave her in the best possible light, given the situation.

I don't know anymore and I'm embarrassed that I'm still following this.

Same here. I was following it for a while because it was pretty funny, and only got moreso when the fan groups decided to start hurling poo at one another.

These latest entries are just uncomfortable reading.

1:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think she "hacked herself" to remove a few things on purpose especially after OW mentioned that ICN (?) was no longer allowing people to go after people personal lives ... like KO, Cooper, etc.

But after her great Q&A session today -- I think we know less!

My theory -- he fell asleep at 2:55 am & had a nightmare for 5 minutes ..... that this lady was nuts and he tore out!!! LOL.

5:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Her blog is one huge contradiction. I tell ya, if I ran into someone like her, I'd run the other way.

Let's all play Q&A, come on. What a child she is.

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Jackie said...

Raton, when will you post the e-mails I sent you?

5:37 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Jackie, I'm putting my post together right now, actually. Should be up within an hour or so.

5:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe the whole blog is a contradiction and a lie.

I'm on the side of truth, too...not "loyalty," or trying to tear anyone down for not being a "loyal fan." That's sheer nonsense. I just don't think the blog contains a single shred of truth, is all.

I trust that I will someday be vindicated in that belief.

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know if it's true or not, but I do have a question. If he gave her his private number as he was leaving the hotel, he evidently wasn't shunning her at that point, was he? Did she call him at that number? Did she become shrill?
I'm curious, as others are, about what happened in the interim between when he leaves her his number and he requests no further contact.

6:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you make of the fact that she's posted a comment stating that KO gave her his home number AFTER they spent the time drinking merlot?

That doesn't sound like something someone who is freaked out by the thought of seeing a person again would do.

Could it be possible that his excuse about the relative dying was sincere and that he only cut off contact after she started trying (in a panic) to contact him while she was still in NY?

6:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anom 6:29 -- go post your question on the Karmabites website. she seems to be taking questions today! LOL. She picks & chooses ...

Then if they don't like your posting -- one of those "armachompers" will verbually attack you! LOL. Accuse you of something!

LOL.

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Done!

6:49 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Anons 8:29 & 8:30 - very good point(s). I've been screencapping some of the questions and her answers on this post. Just in case she gets delete happy again. (Or gets hacked oh noes!)

7:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because he got what he wanted and was done with her? Easier to pretend he was going to call her later and make up some bullshit story afterwards via email is my guess.

7:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Screencapping her comments/posts? You don't really have a job do you? Is this some sort of therapy project your mental aslyum let's you do in your spare time?

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:18, then why not leave a wrong phone number, instead of a genuine one? Or don't leave a number. Ask for her cell number. Either option would be easy enough, and much more sure to keep him safe if he wanted away from her at that point.

7:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's = let us

7:23 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

I have a normal 9-5 job, but tonight I happen to have the free time to putter around on the internets. By the way, screencapping takes about 2 seconds longer than it takes to read the comments.

Funny you should accuse me of being in an asylum. Things do get pretty insane around my house!

And what about yourself? You're spending just as much time watching this whole situation.

7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think we need a BIG piece of paper & a fat sharpie to do a timeline!

i can't put my finger on it but ...

LOL. LOL.

And you know they are warning college kids about putting too much on blogs because employers can sometime do some "research". This might fall under the same category .... dating or looking for another job!

AND I agree -- he only wanted ONE thing -- which he got.

BUT I don't really think he knew that she was really, really, really nutty until she put the tie on e-bay or contacted Groves.

7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nonsense. She never met him. It's all a story.

8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:34-
Do you have inside information about that, or is it simply a conviction? No evidence for, but doesn't seem to be falsifiable either.

9:32 PM  

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