Monday, July 17, 2006

Thoughts...

I realized just now that I'm blogging about a blog. I'm the first person to admit how ridiculous that is. That said, here are my thoughts on karmabites1's latest post. Caroline posted the text in a comment to the last post on here.

I have waffled back and forth thinking karmabites1 might be telling the truth and thinking she's making everything up. It's a plausible premise. She sent a few emails to a television personality. Sure, that happens all the time. She didn't get a response. That happens all the time, too. But she really wanted to get a response, so she tried sending a picture of herself. Ok, that seems a little... strange, but it was just a headshot, right? Oh, but that didn't work, so she upped the ante again by sending a "sexy photo". We don't know what that first photo looked like. It could have been as simple as a sexy dress and soft lighting, or it could have been the kind of thing amatuers send into Penthouse.

My point is, she's the one who sent the photo, unasked, in the first place. I'm not one of those "OlbyLoons" who think Keith can do no wrong. In fact, I think he's all sorts of messed up. But let's separate the fact that he's on television for a moment, since I honestly think that's where most of the controversy here lies.

Some guy gets a provocative picture and starts flirting with the sender. He realizes through their correspondence that she seems open to the idea of getting together to have sex. (Karmabites1 said herself that it was understood that when he showed up at the hotel, that's what would be happening.) Does that make him a horrible, evil, no-good person, or just a normal, tacky male?

Am I oversimplifying? Sure, but so is karmabites1 and the commenters who keep harping on the idea that this celebrity USED his position to lure this poor, innocent, naive girl. Glass half empty? He's a normal guy who used bad judgement in responding to a woman (in her "very early thirties") who very likely seemed to be offering herself to him. The only reason any of us are talking about this is this guy happens to be on television.

All that is assuming that any part of her story is true. I'm waffling back to the Not A Single Bit side. I think it's entirely possible that she doesn't have any incriminating emails. She keeps dangling them like carrots, but she never produces anything. So she makes a post asking what we, her loyal readers, think she should do. It looks a bit like a veiled threat if you ask me. It's possible that someone from that NBC ISP is still checking her blog every once in a while. (Someone from NBC checked this blog a few times, too. Big whoop.)

She opens up the floor for everyone to convince her to publish the emails, knowing that there will be plenty of people telling her not to do it. Check any of the previous posts and you'll find comments telling her to do what is best for her. Just delete the blog and move on. What good would it do to publish the emails? My theory is that she was counting on those comments and planning on saying "yeah, you're right. I won't publish any more emails." All because she doesn't have any incriminating emails.

And now we have suicidal thoughts thrown into the mix. Call me heartless (she already did) but that's awfully convenient, isn't it? Here's another theory: she doesn't know where to go with this crap, so she threatens suicide and stops posting. Right now the comments are restricted. The blog seems to be under lockdown. People will wonder, "Oh no! Did she really kill herself?" She might stop posting forever, but my guess is she'll stop for a couple of days then come back with some kind of story about her nervous breakdown.

But really, suicide? What better way to get Olbermann's attention? He's probably already received some emails about her fragile mental state. The few haters who are still listening to her have probably already condemned him for causing her death!

Want a really far out theory? Maybe she knows Grove and already knows that he's planning on publishing some more emails. Maybe her "boring office work" is at the NYDN. Hell, maybe she's Grove's assistant!

ANYTHING could be the truth. No matter what anyone else says, there's always going to be some people out there doubting it. MSNBC and/or Olbermann could come out and say "This is all a bunch of lies, and we haven't bothered to say anything before because we had hoped it would peter out, but we obviously underestimated the crazy in this one." And the detractors would say, "Well obviously he's lying!"

53 Comments:

Anonymous Caroline said...

Great comments, Raton! I agree wholeheartedly!

One note: I think gmail has been down parts of today. If she has the comments only availble via her e-mail, that could account for the lack of activity tonight.

6:52 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Caroline, youu made several good points in your comment on the last post.

Actually, if you go to the comments page, it says "Comments on this blog are restricted to team members." Meaning she's the only one who can leave comments right now.

6:55 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

Ohhh! Duh, sorry! I guess I need new glasses! THERE IT IS!

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raton, you made excellent points. Personally I think you have a far lower opinion of KO than he actually has done anything to deserve in reality, but my vote in this saga goes to "It's all a made up story and Karma's got nothing."

I was predicting days ago that if she began to feel she was losing her audience, she'd begin expressing suicidal thoughts. Actually, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she stopped blogging for several days, then reappeared as her own "best friend"--the one person in the world to whom she "divulged" the password on her blog--reporting sorrowfully to us all that "Karma" did, indeed, kill herself.

Said friend, of course, will be full of sad details and will probably report to us on the funeral and the whole bit. Traffic on the blog will go through the roof as people post their condolences to her "friend" and their vitriol for Olbermann--whom they will now claim "has blood on his hands."

All I can say is...give me a break.

The whole blog has been nothing but a fake pity party created with the motivation of destroying a man's reputation. The person or people responsible should be ashamed of themselves. It's unfortunate that they probably don't even know the meaning of the word "shame."

I will say this: if Karma "kills herself," or we hear that Karma has killed herself, I won't believe it for a second. But it sure does provide a handy excuse for someone to eventually stop blogging, while at the same time leaving everyone with the impression that Keith Olbermann is actually responsible for the death of one of his fans. Doesn't it?

Nice. Real nice.

"Sick" doesn't even begin to describe it.

7:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

somebody asked if she publishes all comments & she said she didn't publish one today .......... i think people are catching on -- she's very choosey. (is choosey a word?)

and then somebody asked how many photos she sent to him? no answer from her. I assumed if it was one or 2 she would had said that .....

which makes me believe she sent a lot of nudie photos to KO.

PLUS ..... she makes the point that KO did this on his business account ... she also sent to his business account. NUDE pics.
What happened if something happened to KO & somebody else had access to his account.

LOL.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good point, 9:27. She loves to tut-tut him for supposedly using his work email to encourage her, but his work email is supposedly where she sent her "sexy" photos. So in essence, even if her story was real, she'd be admitting to entrapment. How does that make her innocent?

The whole story is being played by ear, and very badly at that.

I have another question, one no one has asked yet. Why, if the man lives in New York, would he have to meet her at her hotel? Why wouldn't he want to show off where he lives and get some admiration and ego gratification from doing it? It's not as if he's married or has a live-in relationship and can't take her there. (Although I don't doubt she'd make up some kind of plausible story if pressured to do so.)

It's just another example of how the whole thing does not hold water, and never did.

4:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Karma is a fool if she thinks MSNBC doesn't already have a pre-packaged publicity campaign to deal with this if & when she tells Lloyd Grove to run her emails. If she thinks her reputation has been damaged enough already, just wait until the publicity & legal departments get done with her. It isn't going to be pretty.

Wow, she's shut down the comments to her blog? Interesting.

5:32 AM  
Anonymous Seen it all before said...

Fact: Back in 1999-2001 Olbermann posted at one of his fan boards. That board blew apart in such bitterness and ugliness that it makes the sniping among boards now look like a lovefest in comparison.

Fact: A second fan group blew apart in 2003 under different, but similar circumstances.

Fact: 2 different websites similar to Olbermann.org blew apart during both eras.

Why do you think that would be exactly? And no, the answer wasn't sock puppets. These women were truly fans of his. But then ceased to be once they found him out to be what he truly is. You do the math.

6:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:46 -- I am not sure I get why a fan board would blow up if the object of their affection posted. Unless said object was misbehaving on the board.

In any event, I am still not sure what I beleive or not beleive, but perhaps the shutting down of comments to the blog is a signal that she is taking the advise of some cooler heads and trying to figure out how to help herself.

7:16 AM  
Anonymous Seen It All Before said...

Do I have to spell this out for you? This is NOT the first time he's become involved with a fan. Once those boards realized how vile he really is, they ceased to be fans. He has totally inappropriate relationships with his fans and then he dumps them after he's used them.

7:33 AM  
Anonymous carat said...

seen it all, I don't get the apparent equation of celeb/fan with doctor/patient or boss/staffer. Where's the coercion, adultery, evil sway? Even presuming all you contend is true, Chris (You're with me, Leather) Berman's behaviour is a damn sight worse than anything KO is accused of. And Berman doesn't seem to be suffering from fan-loss.

7:45 AM  
Anonymous Dubious said...

I have yet to hear, on any of these forums, that he forced anyone to have sex with him or made them any promises of a relationship. Even Karma doesn't say that. His behavior seems to be opportunistic, yes, but what is the motivation of these women?

I, for one, don't watch his show because I want to sleep with him/am in love with him, but because he is entertaining, insightful, knowledgable and irreverent. People need to get some perspective and live in the real world.

7:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To seen it all before

I'm sorry I did not know that old history, but am glad you explained it.

8:16 AM  
Blogger Stef said...

It's not at all inconceivable that a single man with a modicum of fame use that status to his romantic advantage. You don't need to be a rock star to get treated like one by "fans" and any man with an ego the size of Olbermann's is certainly capable of acting like one. Is this a news flash to anyone? No? Then why is it that when a woman acts like a groupie and then gets treated as such, is it such a crime?

If indeed these fan forums "blew apart" because of the misadventures reported by posters to those boards, it isn't Olbermann's fault. It's because of the same reasons that the pathetic fan wars happened this time - one group of people have had their illusions shattered so thoroughly they need to lash out and another group of people live inside a bubble so thick they refuse to accept ill words and call the other side liars. Throughout this entire misadventure I've been fascinated by the way so many seem to want to hold this man to some sort of higher standard and are absolutely appalled to find that he's an ordinary guy with issues.

There does seem to be a third group of, to borrow a phrase, reality-based fans. Those of us who pay heed to the fact that the man has admitted to some emotional problems and years of therapy. That realize that enjoying his work, his sense of humor, and the physical package it comes in doesn't mean he belongs on a pedestal. And most of all that he's just human like everyone else.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a point of clarification for Raton. The way the story was told, according to Karma, was that she sent a pic of herself (presumably a head shot) and he responded. They exchanged emails for a while and then he stopped responding and then she sent the "sexy pic" or whatever it was.

it's not a big distinction I don't think, but a distinction nevertheless. KO responded to her head shot, some kind of email "back and forth" ensued and then more pics got sent.

She has also said that he "asked her to send pictures."

I don't think Karma has made the claim that he did something illegal or even necessarily unethical. I think she wants to embarrass him, and tell people what an asshole he is.

8:36 AM  
Blogger Hawaii said...

Raton, you make a good point, that it is not so strange at all that some guy might think that a woman sending him sexy picutres of himself might think she just wants to be a sex partner. I think what happened is that becauce Keith Olbermann likes to talk about personal issues she thought it was more than that with him (forgetting that he does it on air too). I also think it is not that weird for a person to have an internet relationship and think it means something. I have made some wonderful friends in less than 18 months on the internet, and yes, have flown to meet them. The big problem here (for me) is that he makes fun of people on the air for doing just what he does. Otherwise, it is nothing but a case of treating someone poorly since nothing stopped him from breaking all connections with her more politely. After she flew to see him and he had sex with her the least he could have done was sent a thoughtful, polite and carefully worded "breaking things off" note.

Now, before all those commenters retort that she is making it all up I will add that I still just plain belive her. I have said it before ,but her story is simple and doesn't make her look good. That seems legit to me. The fact that her story is not smoothly told adds to its legitimacy. People seldom get a timeline perfect. Indeed a perfect story makes me suspicious.

But I do agree that Karma would be way better off letting this go and channelling her hurt into something positive for herself like finding a stable relationship and a job that gives her occassional vacation time. As for Keith Olbermann - well, he is known to have his emotional issues, but I hardly think this thing makes him evil or perverted or any other nonsense. Nor should it (or will it) derail his career.

And as for his fan base .... I always considered myself a fan but I hate to be in company with a lot of people I have seen commenting. I have hung out on the periphery of other new groupie places but none are as nutty as some KO fans I have come across. Luckily the nuttier ones have been more quiet recently. Maybe they are napping.

10:19 AM  
Blogger Stef said...

Oh, and here's something I'm still waiting on an answer on from yesterday:

Anon. 7:10 said: "And the "fan" warfare was disgusting, but there was very good reason for it."

Anon. 12:48 replied: "Which was? Was it accomplished? "

I've spent a good portion of my life around fangirls of one stripe or another and have yet to see a fan war that didn't boil down to personality conflicts. If someone thinks there was a reason, I'm curious to hear it. In my experience fan wars accomplish little besides dividing the fanbase and thinning the herd. That seems counterproductive to me.

(BTW, Hi Rat! I finally got around to posting)

10:35 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Anon 10:36, Thank you for pointing out that distinction. I could have sworn that I got the idea that there was no response until she sent more provocative photos from a comment exchange she was involved in, but I went back and couldn't find one. But I did see at least two mentions of hers that say he responded to the headshot, then stopped writing, so she sent the sexy photos to get him writing again.

11:12 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

See it all before, I wasn't around any Olbermann fan sites or forums, so I can't comment first hand on what you're saying about the fandom collapsing. I can say, from experience in other fandoms, that there are often many reasons for sites to close down. People lose their hosting or decide it's not worth paying for anymore, people just plain lose interest.

11:16 AM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Pi said There does seem to be a third group of, to borrow a phrase, reality-based fans. Those of us who pay heed to the fact that the man has admitted to some emotional problems and years of therapy. That realize that enjoying his work, his sense of humor, and the physical package it comes in doesn't mean he belongs on a pedestal. And most of all that he's just human like everyone else.

Thank. You. THANK. YOU.

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Raton--

I thought the story was ... they corresponded like he does with a lot of fans. Then when he stopped e-mailing ... she sent him a nice headshot photo............

I don't know how long this lasted -- then he got MAD at her ... maybe for not coming to see him.

THEN she sent the dirty photo & the e-mailing started again. I assume she started doing this alot & she said only ONCE that he had a request for a certain shot.

As I recall she called this her "special project" and for a long time -- never answered when people asked about this project.

Too be totally honest -- she deletes so many entries -- you can swear you read it & you probably did! But then its gone.

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those sites didn't collapse because of hosting issues or anything like that. It was specifically because of actions by him that made them lose interest in him and admiration for him.

12:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RAton, you mentioned NBC has been hitting your site? Call me naive but why would they read your blog if there wasn't any truth to Karma's blog/story?

12:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason is obvious 2:30, they too are looking for reasons to lie Olbermann's sorry ass out of this mess because they know he's as guilty as some of the more intelligent among us figured out long ago.

At this point it should be apparent Raton keeps this sorry-ass excuse of a blog about another blog going because she wants to believe her hero Olbermann is reading it.

12:37 PM  
Anonymous carat said...

why would they read your blog if there wasn't any truth to Karma's blog/story?

Most shows-- both tv and radio -- employ staffers to patrol the web to judge buzz generated. So it may be SOP.

Or it may be lawyers looking for libel. Or security ferreting out stalkers.

Or it may be colleagues looking for a giggle. (Wouldn't you read a dishy blog about the guy in the next cubicle?)

Assuming guilt based on a blog hit is a ginormous jump.

1:00 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

RAton, you mentioned NBC has been hitting your site? Call me naive but why would they read your blog if there wasn't any truth to Karma's blog/story?

Because, as I said in the comment to karmabites1 that started this whole blog, it's pretty easy to set up a blogsearch for "olbermann" and have an intern watch it.

At this point it should be apparent Raton keeps this sorry-ass excuse of a blog about another blog going because she wants to believe her hero Olbermann is reading it.

Ha! First of all, Olbermann is not my hero. I'm a fan, but what kind of person has a barely-popular cable news anchor as their hero? Secondly, I have no delusions that Olbermann is reading this blog. If I was concerned about Olbermann reading what I have to say, I'd email him.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know how funny this blog will be if God forbid she kills herself.

1:20 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

"Pi said There does seem to be a third group of, to borrow a phrase, reality-based fans. Those of us who pay heed to the fact that the man has admitted to some emotional problems and years of therapy. That realize that enjoying his work, his sense of humor, and the physical package it comes in doesn't mean he belongs on a pedestal. And most of all that he's just human like everyone else."

Thanks for saying this, PJ.

Anytime you turn a person into an icon it just doesn't work. People are flawed. I believe it's a combination of these flaws with positive traits that make people who they are.

Count me as a "reality-based" fan. I enjoy his writing and his usage of language. I like Olbermann's way of weaving unrelated facts to form a narrative on different things.

Why would a fan board close up shop because they found out "the truth"? I'd say the problem would fall on the shoulders of the board members if they can't accept anything other than their ideal.

Olbermann is just a man. He's not immune to fault -- no one is. But his higher profile can lead to various positive and negative interactions. He might be able to get a better table at a restaurant, he might be recognizable to people because of his work. But what about the other side? What if he was out to a ballgame and someone decides they'll put him in his place? He's got to deal with that. What if he's sick and just wants to get home, yet there are fans who'd like an autograph? What if someone decided to make up things about him?

How would anyone feel if someone went out of their way to affect your job?

Say that everything Karma said was true... What's he guilty of? He got it on with a woman and then didn't see her again.

I've asked on Karma's blog (I don't think my comment was ever published) if he specifically made any commitment to her, did he promise her anything? Given how she pursued him, I don't think he ever promised her anything (assuming anything she said was true). She said that there was no relationship. Sure, it's possible that she hoped that everything would just fall into place once they met, I don't know. I say it is better not to have false hope in matters of the heart.

But again, that's assuming it's all true. I have trouble believing it. If it were true, would there not be other news organizations picking up on this? Wouldn't there be a blurb in People magazine, lol! I don't count Lloyd Grove as anything but a gossip columnist. And Jossip? Oh, please!

We don't know if Karma gave the "Rita" e-mail to Grove. That's never been proven. I need a little more evidence than a "I said so" from Karma. What I do know is that I wouldn't want any of her "supporters" to be on my jury. Guilty without evidence is not what convictions are about.

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If she were to do that, she was way beyond the help (or harm) of a handful of anonymous strangers online, don't you think?
I've had plenty of pain in my life and I've NEVER been so selfish and evil as to consider suicide.
For her to try to manipulate anyone with suicide threats is reprehensible.

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh that's rich, if she offs herself she's selfish? After you've all taken such utter delight and glee in attacking her at every possible turn and leaving horrid messages at her blog? Once again, it's all HER fault. My God it's bad enough that Olbermann won't take responsibility for his reprehensible actions, but apparently he has fans exactly like him.

2:33 PM  
Anonymous redtoots said...

I've got to say that I am bothered by her suicidal ideation. On July 5 she posted a picture of the Lady of Shalot who according to the poem by Tennyson killed herself for love of Sir Lancelot. This is not a healthy comparison for her.

Whether she is really depressed and suicidal or she is manipulating people into thinking she's depressed and suicidal she needs help.

She's trying to make this into some tragic love affair. If it happened, and for me that is a pretty big if, it was a one-night stand. It happens. Get on with life.

3:13 PM  
Anonymous redtoots said...

And Anon 4:33

If she commits suicide, yes it is ultimately the fault of her and her depression. Nothing that she says has happened to her or that has been said to or about her is worth committing suicide over. If she does, she has problems that run waaaaay deeper than whatever did or didn't happen with KO.

Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for your own life, your own choices and your own sexuality. If the story is true, I don't think she is doing that. If the story is not true, she's got more problems than you or I can fix on a blog.

3:19 PM  
Blogger Stef said...

4:33, suicide is widely considered to be a selfish act by the friends and family left behind. If you'd ever been close to a suicide you might understand that.

Something else you're failing to grasp is that this is indeed all Karma's fault. It was her behavior that put her in that position in the first place. By her own admission *she* pursued *him.* It was her own decision to start a public blog to gain attention for her sob story. Granted, she had no control over Olbermann's supposed actions nor the negative attention she garnered online, but she is solely responsible for putting herself in those situations to begin with. So yeah. It's her fucking fault.

It doesn't matter if her suicide talk is or isn't an attention ploy - either way she's a deeply troubled woman who needs professional help and was that way before the blog, before her sexual adventures. Nothing anyone does online can change that.

3:36 PM  
Anonymous nicole said...

uh-oh....kb is back ..now she says the sex was "mediocre" wasnt she pretty much complimentary in that regard in earlier posts?

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Helpful suicide information:

http://www.coping.org/control/suicide.htm

So you see, suicide is evil and selfish.
There isn't a question that Karma could use a good therapist. There are three possibilities here. (1) She is serious, (2) she is looking for (yet more) attention, or (3) she is making this whole thing up. Any of those indicate that she's troubled, but most especially the first one, the one she is claiming.

Karma, here are some ideas that might help you to grow out of this kind of behavior. Paste the link back together again to see the PDF.

http://www.borderlinepersonality.ca/
DistressTolerance.pdf

Most of these things are pretty fun anyway. Why not buy a pretty flower and make the corner of the room look nice? It's about finding other ways of making yourself feel better. Healthy ways, which don't compound your problems.
Now think about all of the people who don't believe you at all. Isn't that to be expected? Why did you start the blog if you didn't want to have to deal with that?
In fact, here's a question that I would really like you to post an answer to (here or there).
You started the blog, you control the content of the blog, and you control the publication of the comments on the blog. So you can't very well say that it's not the way you wanted it to be. It's what you made it. So, is it working for you? Is it providing any closure, healing, satisfaction, etc?

4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK. Time to separate facts from bullshit.

"Seen it all before" said "Fact: Back in 1999-2001 Olbermann posted at one of his fan boards. That board blew apart in such bitterness and ugliness that it makes the sniping among boards now look like a lovefest in comparison.

Fact: A second fan group blew apart in 2003 under different, but similar circumstances.

Fact: 2 different websites similar to Olbermann.org blew apart during both eras.

Why do you think that would be exactly? And no, the answer wasn't sock puppets. These women were truly fans of his. But then ceased to be once they found him out to be what he truly is. You do the math."

Hmm. I will bet dollars to doughnuts this post was authored by the person truly responsible for the "blowing apart" of at least one of those groups. Which had nothing to do with Olbermann. It had to do with her attempting to start a "fan club" for him by sending an inappropriately flirtatious message to him via his agent (describing herself as an "adorable young woman" and such). His agent was understandably upset and cut her off as a result... and she, in her rage, turned against Olbermann and turned all her fellow fans against him. Some fans! So his agent was trying to protect him from fans behaving inappropriately--that was an excuse to hate him and blame him for his fan groups falling apart? He's not "vile," jeez! He just doesn't care for being stalked, is all!

"Pi" said "It's not at all inconceivable that a single man with a modicum of fame use that status to his romantic advantage. You don't need to be a rock star to get treated like one by 'fans' and any man with an ego the size of Olbermann's is certainly capable of acting like one."

Maybe. But does it mean he DID? No, it does not.

"Throughout this entire misadventure I've been fascinated by the way so many seem to want to hold this man to some sort of higher standard and are absolutely appalled to find that he's an ordinary guy with issues."

Oh, come on. Having inappropriate relationships with your fans is NOT being "an ordinary guy with issues." It's being a BEAST. But that's what some so-called "fans" want other fans to believe. Which, in my book, is pretty disgusting.

I consider myself a reality-based fan. I don't put the man on a pedestal. But neither do I feel the need to grind him down into the dirt or "cut him down to size" based on something that is not at all in evidence. That's what I find so repulsive about all this. I still am amazed at how gullible some people are that they are swallowing all this as fact just because "well, it could be true." I guess it goes to show something about the state of the American public schools that people have not been taught better critical thinking skills than this.

We have more evidence of WMDs in Iraq than of any of Karma's claims. "Her story is simple"? Since when? Since when does the lack of smoothness in the telling add to the legitimacy? Conflicting claims don't add to legitimacy. I'd hate to see anyone on a jury who thought so. Perfect stories may be suspicious, but so are imperfect ones. Every crook has a bad alibi.

And yes, "Assuming guilt based on a blog hit is a ginormous jump," folks...but it looks as if some people will pounce on anything to believe what they want to believe.

To 3:20 who said "I don't know how funny this blog will be if God forbid she kills herself," I have news for you. People who don't exist in the first place can't kill themselves. Please.

Caroline once again makes the most sense: "Guilty without evidence is not what convictions are about." It is possible to be a level-headed fan without believing any of this nonsense at all.

And yes, 4:09, "For her to try to manipulate anyone with suicide threats is reprehensible." Indeed.

The blogger needs "help," all right. But not because she's suicidal...because she's sociopathic.

Now she's even proffering supposed details on the sex in order to call people's attention back. Cheap. Disgusting.

5:11 PM  
Anonymous Dubious said...

I just took a look KBs new post. Really, this chick is freaking me out. I started out with mixed feelings about this, leaning toward sympathy for her, but the more she goes on with this, the sorrier I feel for Olbermann for not sniffing la loca out miles away.

5:28 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Nicole, thanks for the heads up. I left a comment, but I doubt it will be published.

I said:

You know it can be done more than once in one night, right? :-)

So, what exactly did you you do more than once if he was "too cheap to buy viagra"?

5:31 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Anon 6:47, karmabites1 has comments open (moderated, of course) again, so you can try posting your thoughts there.

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

I'm feeling a bit picky, so bear with my as I wade through Karma's latest post (her comments are in bold):

Obviously I'm not a writer so please bear with me (all three of you) while I try and put my thoughts in writing...

And she's mediocre at spinning stories too.

I never threatened suicide. I said "when suicidal thoughts cross your mind,I think help is needed." If you've been following the blog from the start, you might remember when I said I was on my flight home from NYC, I was so out of it that if the plane had crashed it wouldn't have made any difference. I never said these thoughts crossed my mind NOW. Offing oneself for a night of mediocre sex with some cheap, egotistical man is not something I would do.

Excuse me? EXCUSE ME? In the "Instant Karma" thread, this is what she said:

You do have a point about professional counseling. If I could afford it I would do it.

When suicidal thoughts cross your mind, I think help is needed.


When suicidal thoughts cross your mind. Well, I believe "YOUR" would be assumed to refer back to Karma.

Yes, that's right I said mediocre. I was sugarcoating our sexual encounter to protect him. But why the hell should I protect someone who showed no class towards me whatsoever?

Yeah, alright. How many cute and coy comments did we wade through that read like "I didn't say that" when asked about bad performance, etc?

Probably too cheap to buy Viagra.

In the "On The Ave" posts, someone asked if Olbermann used performance enhancing drugs. Her comment:

Anonymous said...
"Does he use performance enhancing drugs or not (and no, I'm not talking about steroids)."

To my knowledge he didn't.


So now Olbermann is too cheap to buy something that to her knowledge he didn't use.

You know, if she quacks like a duck, she's a QUACK.

And no, I will never believe Karma on her word alone. Put it this way: if she said it was raining outside, I'd stick my hand out the window to see for myself.

5:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Karma is reading this thread and will see it anyway. I think she posted these:

I don't know how funny this blog will be if God forbid she kills herself. - 3:20 PM

Oh that's rich, if she offs herself she's selfish? After you've all taken such utter delight and glee in attacking her at every possible turn and leaving horrid messages at her blog? Once again, it's all HER fault. My God it's bad enough that Olbermann won't take responsibility for his reprehensible actions, but apparently he has fans exactly like him. - 4:33 PM

I can't imagine that anyone else, even her supporters out there, believes that she is not to be held at fault at all for all this. That's pretty unique to her.

5:40 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Anon 7:40, I think she's reading this thread on the basis of this from her latest post:

I never threatened suicide. ... Offing oneself...

5:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, exactly. It's very topical to the conversation on THIS blog.

5:45 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Not to mention her latest comment:

I'm just angry (can you tell?) that because I shut the blog down for a little while, people think I'm slitting my wrists.

Maybe she's angry that so many people figured out her "suicide" plan and spoiled it.

5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, I was going to give up and leave this train wreck alone, but witnessing this implosion is far too tasty. She is becoming increasing shrill and hysterical. Not to mention unreliable and self-contradictory. She's obviously unravelling and doing all of MSNBC's pr work for them. Way to go KB!!!

5:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, she does at least seem to be watching this thread. Beyond that, I cannot fathom what she's thinking.

5:52 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

She's being awfully selective about publishing comments, as evidenced by new comments showing up "before" comments that have already been there. Maybe there are a couple or more people who have to confer on how to respond to those comments before they get published?

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Caroline said...

To quote the eloquent Archie Bunker: Whadda dingbat.

LOL, Raton, I think she does have to check with others to see how she should answer questions.

6:09 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Caroline, It actually sounds like maybe someone else is manning the helm tonight if you ask me. Or another personality, maybe.

6:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You said it, caroline! This "dingbat" should just "Stifle!" Because no one with any sense believes her "cling peaches" story.

But I admit, it is entertaining watching the Wicked Witch melt before one's very eyes...

6:17 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

Well, I didn't think she'd publish it, so here's another comment:

ratón anónimo said...

If you'll indulge me by allowing me to respond to Anon 9:05, I'd like to paste a couple of things.

This, from the last post on my blog: I realized just now that I'm blogging about a blog. I'm the first person to admit how ridiculous that is.

And this, as a comment in response to um, probably the same Anon: I have no delusions that Olbermann is reading this blog. If I was concerned about Olbermann reading what I have to say, I'd email him.

July 18, 2006 6:13 PM

6:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to a Karma 101 expert ...

from her blog ...Obviously I'm not a writer so please bear with me (all three of you) while I try and put my thoughts in writing...

what does she mean?

sign of the cross? or her 3 "ghost writers"?

but i really think more than one person is writing this. just a hunch. or somebody is giving her plenty of bad advice.

i bet somebody is collecting her blog from NBC for the future. any lawsuit .... etc. she has said many things ........

LOL.

This is bizarre. We go from debating if she should give Groves permission to publish her e-mails -- to Keith is crappy in bed.

LOL. But she seems to have a different attitude towards him today.

6:37 PM  
Blogger ratón anónimo said...

I'm closing this comment thread. See the new post.

6:38 PM  

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